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re: Tua's performance (Texas A&M)
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:07 am to YStar
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:07 am to YStar
I'm sure Coach Saban appreciates the persecution you've endured in order to provide necessary corrections to the program. Progressive, advanced thinkers like yourself have always been mistreated by poor backward rednecks. You should show patience and understanding - we can't help it.
I don't know that anyone asked for your analysis or proposed solutions. Why not take your expertise to a more appreciative forum?
In all seriousness, you will find that arrogant, pretentious, self-centered people always encounter opposition.
You've insulted almost everyone to whom you respond. Of course in your mind you have only offered astute correction when you disagree, we offer insults, attacks, ignorance, etc. when we disagree.
Btw, people here do want the truth but they want it served with a little humility and good humor. It's just a game and we are not coaches. We have no responsibility, nor expertise, nor access, to correct the players. Our primary function as fans is to support the coaches and players and not pick apart everything they do. Enjoy the games and this unprecedented success and don't take yourself so seriously. It doesn't matter what you or I think. No one else cares except for the purpose of a little pleasant, civil discussion.
I don't know that anyone asked for your analysis or proposed solutions. Why not take your expertise to a more appreciative forum?
In all seriousness, you will find that arrogant, pretentious, self-centered people always encounter opposition.
You've insulted almost everyone to whom you respond. Of course in your mind you have only offered astute correction when you disagree, we offer insults, attacks, ignorance, etc. when we disagree.
Btw, people here do want the truth but they want it served with a little humility and good humor. It's just a game and we are not coaches. We have no responsibility, nor expertise, nor access, to correct the players. Our primary function as fans is to support the coaches and players and not pick apart everything they do. Enjoy the games and this unprecedented success and don't take yourself so seriously. It doesn't matter what you or I think. No one else cares except for the purpose of a little pleasant, civil discussion.
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Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:15 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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#13 left a lot of yards on the field on Saturday and he above everyone understands just that. I believe on that pick play that when they left the huddle he was going to throw the ball to #4 come hell or high water and he did. JMO but #4 might be getting a little tude because #6 and #11
are getting the TD's and the media. Like it or not but this is about dollars for some of these guys. It happens.
It was good to have a TE for one year anyway but as of today #87 and #88 are really below average whether it is blocking or receiving.
You brought up some good points. As tight a group as this WR trio has been they are also the most competitive group on the team. Jeudy has been leading the pack and Tua has gone to a few others a little more lately. Smith getting the national press a couple of weeks ago could have tipped the scales a little more than what is usual for the bunch. Tua talked a couple of weeks ago about the double-teaming Jeudy has been getting and that it has caused him to start looking elsewhere.
What does it all mean? Probably that Rock, Paper, Scissors ain't everything it's made up to be.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 12:03 pm to bamameister
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You brought up some good points. As tight a group as this WR trio has been they are also the most competitive group on the team. Jeudy has been leading the pack and Tua has gone to a few others a little more lately. Smith getting the national press a couple of weeks ago could have tipped the scales a little more than what is usual for the bunch. Tua talked a couple of weeks ago about the double-teaming Jeudy has been getting and that it has caused him to start looking elsewhere.
What does it all mean? Probably that Rock, Paper, Scissors ain't everything it's made up to be.
I think this has nailed it. Tua to Jeudy got one to New York and won the other the Biletnekof last year.
Last year teams would key on Jeudy and Tua would throw it to him anyway. This year Tua has been coached to take what the defense gives, and the defense is giving #6, #11, #87, and #22 at the expense of keying on Jeudy and it has Jeudy frustrated.
I think both negative plays in the redzone (zone/man bust and INT) were due to Tua pressing to feed a frustrated Jeudy and the fact that the connection is in a bit of a slump right now amplified the emotions for both guys.
This post was edited on 10/14/19 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 10/14/19 at 3:24 pm to My2Bits
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I agree Tua did not have the greatest game against A&M but he still blows people away who see him live and up close.
I will agree with this. Watching him on tv is one thing, but watching him up close, and in person against LSU last year was pretty wild. You can really see how mechanically sound, and gifted he is. The ball comes out of his hand so fast and beautifully in person. Its a sight to be behold.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 4:23 pm to YStar
You know nothing Jon Snow!
Posted on 10/14/19 at 4:40 pm to YStar
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Tua didn't have a great game
Almost 300 yards and 4 TDs is a bad game these days huh?
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Posted on 10/14/19 at 5:10 pm to YStar
It’s fine to acknowledge it wasn’t his best performance. But that doesn’t mean anything negative towards him. He plays near perfect most of the time, let’s not jump him for being human and having some off days.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 8:16 pm to Bham4Tide
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Almost 300 yards and 4 TDs is a bad game these days huh?
If Tua has this game in the pros they'll be talking about him like they do Mahomes. If he has these kind of "bad" games in the pros he'll be a HOF.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:34 pm to BFANLC
There was an article today that statistically, this was easily his worst game this year: lowest yard total, lowest completion percentage, lowest QBR. His completion percentage was only .617. Shocking by Tua standards. He said himself in the article that he made some bad reads, throws and decisions and that he needed to be more accurate than he was Saturday. He knows he didn’t bring his A game Saturday and addressed it. I just hope he fixes it.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:57 pm to phil4bama
Some of the yardage is due to the short fields.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 2:07 am to phil4bama
Again...he threw for almost 300 yards and 4 tds. QBR of 85.2.
There have been Bama games in the past where it took the qb 2,3, even 4 games to throw for 4 tds. He nor any other qb will be perfect.
Let's look at some other qbs for comparison.
Tom Brady 31/41 334 yds 0 tds 1 interception. QBR of 42.7
D.Watson 30/42 280 yds 1 td 2 ints. QBR of 88.1
P. Mahomes 19/35 273 yds 3 tds 1 int. QBR of 61.8
A. Roger's 24/39 283 yds 2 tds 1 int. QBR of 41.9
Lawrence 17/25 170 yds 3 tds 1 int. QBR of 95.6
J. Burrows 21/24 293 yds 3 tds 0 ints. QBR of 96.2
He is one of the best QBs out there...even on a off day for him.
There have been Bama games in the past where it took the qb 2,3, even 4 games to throw for 4 tds. He nor any other qb will be perfect.
Let's look at some other qbs for comparison.
Tom Brady 31/41 334 yds 0 tds 1 interception. QBR of 42.7
D.Watson 30/42 280 yds 1 td 2 ints. QBR of 88.1
P. Mahomes 19/35 273 yds 3 tds 1 int. QBR of 61.8
A. Roger's 24/39 283 yds 2 tds 1 int. QBR of 41.9
Lawrence 17/25 170 yds 3 tds 1 int. QBR of 95.6
J. Burrows 21/24 293 yds 3 tds 0 ints. QBR of 96.2
He is one of the best QBs out there...even on a off day for him.
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 2:24 am
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:49 am to DLev45
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I think both negative plays in the redzone (zone/man bust and INT) were due to Tua pressing to feed a frustrated Jeudy and the fact that the connection is in a bit of a slump right now amplified the emotions for both guys.
cogent observation. Could be that
Posted on 10/15/19 at 7:05 am to John Milner
Very well could be. Teams have chosen to blanket Jeudy bc of the success last year and you see others (Smith, Ruggs,)having more success /touches this year . Probably is frustrated
Posted on 10/15/19 at 7:20 am to YStar
He was a little off, not perfect but he still got the job done. Like a pitcher who is having trouble with his curve, he has to spot his fastball better than at any other time. Red zone throwing isn't easy my friend. 22 large and fast human beings flying around in a smaller box than at any other time. A&M played straight man, man under/zone over the top, and zone. Mistakes happen. QB reads one thing while the WR reads another. I'll take 300 yards and 4 TDs every day of the week and twice on Sundays!!!
Posted on 10/15/19 at 8:24 pm to Bham4Tide
People really say that tua had a terrible game against LSU last year when he had over 300 yards and 3 tds. I mean it’s ridiculous the standards people hold him to
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:13 am to YStar
Just think about it, he was absolutely horrific (for him) as you say.
Road game against a "ranked" team.
21/34
293 yards
4 TD's
1 INT
If that's what horrible looks like sign me up.
Road game against a "ranked" team.
21/34
293 yards
4 TD's
1 INT
If that's what horrible looks like sign me up.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 10:08 am to tmjones2
and how many of those TD passes were on 3rd and long? Mostly after the running game picked up next to nothing.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 10:37 am to IB4bama
I think both sides of this debate have a point.
Tua is so good that we've become accustomed to a level of QB play that's simply not normal. In less than two years, he's trained us to expect a completion percentage upwards of 75% every game, close to (if not more than) 400 yards passing and at least three touchdowns. Anything less than that is considered a "down game" for him.
By the same token, because he IS capable of doing that regularly, it's noteworthy when he doesn't achieve those gaudy numbers, and we can find fault in something that's 99% perfect.
For my part, I'll admit to being spoiled rotten. For most of my life, when an Alabama quarterback would wind up to throw deep, various portions of my anatomy would clench up, because I just didn't expect anything good to happen. Either it would be incomplete, or intercepted. It was a pleasant surprise when we actually completed a long pass. (Brodie Croyle and Blake Sims tried to make me change my thinking on this, but neither quite got me over the hump.)
Tua completely changed my mindset. Now, every time he drops back, scans the field, and loads up for a long throw, I fully expect a pinpoint pass that will be caught by an NFL-caliber receiver who will either score or catch the ball and be tackled around the 10-yard line. No longer do I think "Oh I hope this works;" it's "Oh good, we're about to score." Every. Single. Time.
I know it's not realistic. But he's trained me to think this way, because he's just that freaking good. Which makes the times he doesn't quite meet the level of perfection all the more surprising and frustrating.
Tua is so good that we've become accustomed to a level of QB play that's simply not normal. In less than two years, he's trained us to expect a completion percentage upwards of 75% every game, close to (if not more than) 400 yards passing and at least three touchdowns. Anything less than that is considered a "down game" for him.
By the same token, because he IS capable of doing that regularly, it's noteworthy when he doesn't achieve those gaudy numbers, and we can find fault in something that's 99% perfect.
For my part, I'll admit to being spoiled rotten. For most of my life, when an Alabama quarterback would wind up to throw deep, various portions of my anatomy would clench up, because I just didn't expect anything good to happen. Either it would be incomplete, or intercepted. It was a pleasant surprise when we actually completed a long pass. (Brodie Croyle and Blake Sims tried to make me change my thinking on this, but neither quite got me over the hump.)
Tua completely changed my mindset. Now, every time he drops back, scans the field, and loads up for a long throw, I fully expect a pinpoint pass that will be caught by an NFL-caliber receiver who will either score or catch the ball and be tackled around the 10-yard line. No longer do I think "Oh I hope this works;" it's "Oh good, we're about to score." Every. Single. Time.
I know it's not realistic. But he's trained me to think this way, because he's just that freaking good. Which makes the times he doesn't quite meet the level of perfection all the more surprising and frustrating.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 10:57 am to YStar
He didn't play great, but we had three total drives in the game where we didn't score, and one of those was toward the end of the 4th where it looked like we were trying to take the air out of the ball. So we had one other punt and the interception.
I think expecting a score on every single drive is a bit unrealistic. No, it's a whole hell of a lot unrealistic.
I think expecting a score on every single drive is a bit unrealistic. No, it's a whole hell of a lot unrealistic.
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