I was unaware his offense specialized in anything other than running uptempo 3 and outs.....

I think Arizona is going to find out he’s fools gold, briles left him some pretty decent talent and a system at UH, and Sherman left him some really good players to start with at A&M.

It will be interesting to see if he can truly build a program up himself from scratch without much in the cubboard to start with (outside of a really good QB apparently). My guess is he can’t. And not that he can’t do decent there, say average 7 wins a season or so, just that he’s not going to have them winning double digits more years than not.

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Posted by Cooter Davenport

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Posted on 6/18/18 at 11:21 am to Texas Gentleman

He may have one year where the schedule and his roster align and he has a pretty good result, but overall it won’t go well or last long.

Sumlin isn’t a bad HC, he’s not inept, but doesn't have the personal or program discipline or work-ethic to build a real winning *program*.

He caught lightning in a bottle TWICE. I just think the odds are against him being lucky enough for it to strike a third time.

First, he took over a UH system and players that was built/put in place/recruited by bad boy Art Briles, who is 10X the coach Sumlin is. AND he inherited an NFL-caliber 32 year old QB who’d been given 16 years of eligibility by the NCAA.

Then, he inherited the best offensive line in college football that year (by FAR) from Sleepy Sherm, AND a Heisman QB in Juan Manziel, AND brought with him Kliff Kingsbury, who was the best OC Sumlin has ever had and was PERFECT personality wise for coaching Manziel.

After he lost Kliff, the o-line Sherman built, and Cocaine Johnny, his result was worse every year. He was here long enough to establish a VERY clear, undeniable trend-line.

Sumlin will be able to recruit some guys because his personality and manufactured swag deal have their appeal to todays yoot, but they’ll find out as our guys did that that’s not really who he is and he’ll ignore them after they’re on campus, because he is inauthentic and lazy.

I also just don’t see how he can build anything with that joke Mazzone as OC. That’s basically a death-knell from the get-go. Mazzone is a hack and his RPO spread is a gimmick that he hawks on the internet. Sumlin brought him along because he can’t hire anyone better at this point. That tells you all you need to know!

This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 11:27 am

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Posted by wrecking crew

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Posted on 8/24/18 at 6:30 pm to Texas Gentleman

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It will be interesting to see if he can truly build a program up himself from scratch without much in the cubboard to start with (outside of a really good QB apparently). My guess is he can’t. And not that he can’t do decent there, say average 7 wins a season or so, just that he’s not going to have them winning double digits more years than not.

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Kevin Sumlin aims to establish winning culture as Arizona

Sumlin elaborated on what the term “culture” means to him after Friday’s practice.

“You set your culture by giving expectations,” Sumlin said. “We talk about it all the time: You can’t hold somebody accountable if they don’t know what your expectations are. Your expectations on, off the field, how you practice, how you do things, what’s going on, all that creates a culture.”

Sumlin tried to think of everything for his first UA practice. He didn’t get around to dictating the soundtrack.

“Today was weird,” Sumlin said. “I got caught off guard. Even the players were asking me: ‘What was that?’

“I got a lot of things going on. Obviously, I didn’t check the soundtrack today. We’ve gotta play better than the playlist.”

“The Boys are Back in Town,” by Thin Lizzy, played during stretching. An eclectic mix followed, including hip-hop, country and alternative-rock songs.