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Regarding Dabol as OC from here on out.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:27 am
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:27 am
If Dabol doesn't drop this hybrid offensive scheme Bama currently runs would anyone welcome Jim McElwain back as OC. I remember being frustrated at times with the passing game but Bama has a QB on campus that can throw the football accurately now and that should help clear the box from being stacked unlike the McElroy years and start of AJ until the NC game when we opened it up and let him throw.
I fully recognize that Saban has endorsed this hybrid attack but I would think a good OC could reason with him that he trust like McElwain.
I fully recognize that Saban has endorsed this hybrid attack but I would think a good OC could reason with him that he trust like McElwain.
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:31 am to labamafan
No thanks. Too conservative when we get a lead, I don't trust his ability to develop a QB anymore after seeing him fail to do so at Florida.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:35 am to labamafan
By hybrid, do you mean "wow, that last drive was great, we scored a TD! Now let's do the exact opposite the rest of the quarter!" Ugh.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:36 am to labamafan
I really think the problem is Saban on offense. We have seen it time after time.. Saban wants to run this hybrid offense and it’s just not working. Lane pushed back in the Auburn game and it worked. Saban was visibly pissed at him until it started working. This new system is tough for defenses to catch a read, but It’s leaving a tired defense on the field to try and win the games. Also it gives the offense no Rhythm. It’s a damn crime that our QB had as many carries as our backs combined. Harris with 6 carries? Even after running it down the barns throat the start of the second half? Take the second half of the Clemson game?? That was a different coordinator.. this is Saban man. His obsession with what gave his defense fits in the past is killing us. It has to stop, or it will be the same results each year
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 10:38 am
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:39 am to labamafan
Because another OC carousel is exactly what we need.
Its his first dang year as not only as OC but a college OC. Lets give him at least another year to fix his mistakes before we break out the "Fire Daboll" threads(even though its too late now). I know he called head-scratchers at times this season but the need for immediate gratification around here is ridiculous. If one bad loss to a rival is all it takes for the "Fire (insert coach name)" threads to pop up then we need to do some self reflection.
Its his first dang year as not only as OC but a college OC. Lets give him at least another year to fix his mistakes before we break out the "Fire Daboll" threads(even though its too late now). I know he called head-scratchers at times this season but the need for immediate gratification around here is ridiculous. If one bad loss to a rival is all it takes for the "Fire (insert coach name)" threads to pop up then we need to do some self reflection.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:42 am to labamafan
Issues with Dabol will go away when we can use more than half of the playbook and doesn't have to limit the QB reads to one half of the field.
His schemes are actually pretty solid, guys get open and most of the time the mix is good (Au game aside). Things don't work well when we have the QB miss reading a receiver 10 yards open, pull the ball down and run for 2 yards, leaving us with 3rd and 8.
Small sample size, and late in games. But notice how smoothly the offense runs when Tua takes over. The whole field opens up, and we mix in more receivers. Play action also becomes a threat again.
His schemes are actually pretty solid, guys get open and most of the time the mix is good (Au game aside). Things don't work well when we have the QB miss reading a receiver 10 yards open, pull the ball down and run for 2 yards, leaving us with 3rd and 8.
Small sample size, and late in games. But notice how smoothly the offense runs when Tua takes over. The whole field opens up, and we mix in more receivers. Play action also becomes a threat again.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:46 am to labamafan
Saban should regret pushing out Lane. For all his flaws, I think that we are playing for our 4th straight SEC title and 3rd straight national title after that with Lane still calling plays.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:04 am to labamafan
I'm still on the fence with DaBoll. IMO, a year is quick to make a decision on but if Saban were to decide to make a change, Dan Enos at Arkansas would be my first call.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:45 am to labamafan
I’m not a fan of Daboll for many of the reasons mentioned but it really is tough to judge him when we have a QB that can’t do anything against defenses with a pulse.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:01 pm to labamafan
I like Daboll so far for the most part.
I hated McElwain and was so glad he was gone. Exactly what part of McElwains offenses did you think we so great? We ran the ball and threw screen passes to the outside constantly.
He did a little better with AJ, but not a ton better. AJ really didn't shine as a passer until we got Nuss, who obviously at times went a bit too far with the passing.
Oh, and let's not forget how good the O-Lines were back then.
I hated McElwain and was so glad he was gone. Exactly what part of McElwains offenses did you think we so great? We ran the ball and threw screen passes to the outside constantly.
He did a little better with AJ, but not a ton better. AJ really didn't shine as a passer until we got Nuss, who obviously at times went a bit too far with the passing.
Oh, and let's not forget how good the O-Lines were back then.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:02 pm to labamafan
No. Dabol is fine. We lost a game. It happens.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:32 pm to labamafan
Bring McElwain Back
Posted on 11/27/17 at 2:52 pm to labamafan
Our Erhardt-Perkins based hybrid pro style / spread offense is not the problem. It's a great system.
Overall, I think Daboll has the acumen to be a great OC for Bama and we're just seeing some 1st season growing pains.
Apparently with Saban's OK, he seems too bent on trying to turn Jalen into a pro-style drop back passing threat. At this point, it just doesn't look like that's succeeding.
Our offensive identity, gameplan and play calling need to play more to our stengths, instead of subjecting us to our OL's & QB's weaknesses.
Use more perimeter, stretch and misdirection runs, more screens, swing passes, quick short and intermediate throws, rollout rpos, slight-delay release of RB, HB, TE to vacated areas for easy throws & yac, etc.
That stuff has worked well -- it keeps us ahead in the chains, sustains drives AND helps open up the inside running game too.
That stuff plays more to Jalen's strengths instead of exposing us to his and our OL's weaknesses. The biggest flaw is focusing too much on slow developing pass plays.
I just hope Saban & Daboll will recognize these problems and appropriately re-adjust our offensive approach for the post season.
Btw, for the record, I'm finally feeling doutbful that Jalen will ever adequately overcome his inability to quickly read the field, find and accurately make the right throws.
Tua has shown that he can. I'm hopeful Tua proves he can do it while also minimizing picks. If so, I think Tua wins the starting job for 2018.
Overall, I think Daboll has the acumen to be a great OC for Bama and we're just seeing some 1st season growing pains.
Apparently with Saban's OK, he seems too bent on trying to turn Jalen into a pro-style drop back passing threat. At this point, it just doesn't look like that's succeeding.
Our offensive identity, gameplan and play calling need to play more to our stengths, instead of subjecting us to our OL's & QB's weaknesses.
Use more perimeter, stretch and misdirection runs, more screens, swing passes, quick short and intermediate throws, rollout rpos, slight-delay release of RB, HB, TE to vacated areas for easy throws & yac, etc.
That stuff has worked well -- it keeps us ahead in the chains, sustains drives AND helps open up the inside running game too.
That stuff plays more to Jalen's strengths instead of exposing us to his and our OL's weaknesses. The biggest flaw is focusing too much on slow developing pass plays.
I just hope Saban & Daboll will recognize these problems and appropriately re-adjust our offensive approach for the post season.
Btw, for the record, I'm finally feeling doutbful that Jalen will ever adequately overcome his inability to quickly read the field, find and accurately make the right throws.
Tua has shown that he can. I'm hopeful Tua proves he can do it while also minimizing picks. If so, I think Tua wins the starting job for 2018.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 11/27/17 at 3:01 pm to labamafan
McElwain is not, nor has he ever been, a good coach/coordinator.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 2:19 am to labamafan
Dude he is doing his best with a subpar quarterback. And Saban is the one wanting this hybrid bullshite.
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