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re: Nick Chubb just broke a 90 yard TD run against Steelers
Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:23 am to fibonaccisquared
Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:23 am to fibonaccisquared
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If you're electing to run with a one game sample size for Chubb
You set this standard by saying his game against ND was not a poor one. I was just going to take your criteria and apply it to Fournette for the games he was a "shell of himself", in your opinion. In this regard, a one game sample is all that is needed.
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As to shell of himself in the Notre Dame game, no... I think he was still impactful on the game but obviously not his best statistical performance either. It also didn't look like he was the focal point of our offense and that we perhaps game planned or adjusted to ND keying on Chubb. He accounted for 17 out of ~72 offensive touches (just adding rushing attempts and passing attempts... probably is excluding sacks but close enough) or 23% of our offensive snaps he had the ball, and accounted for just over 23% of our total yards... it's almost like when you touch the ball a lot, your stats go up, and when you touch it less often, they go up less.
Which games was Fournette a "shell of himself" then? Only 2015 Alabama? By the measure you're giving Chubb you can't include Arkansas, Ole Miss or Texas AM from that year. He, at minimum, matched what Chubb did against Notre Dame this year in each of those games.
Do keep in mind we probably shouldn't include 2016 for either of them since we've agreed that neither Fournette nor Chubb were playing at 100% in that season.
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Your inability to either understand or acknowledge *why* this is happening is probably the most entertaining aspect of this thread... it's like the kid who throws shite at people and picks a fight then cries that people are picking on him because he gets punched in the nose... *You* personally may not have started a thread comparing LF7 to Chubb or Guice to Chubb... but LSU fans did... not once or twice, but repeatedly by many posters... as rigs has mentioned... at some point it comes time to pay the piper. It was a comical meme/trope then, just like it's a comical meme/trope now.
So, you think I don't under why it's happening from the trolls? Trust me, I do.
What I don't understand is why it's happening from someone who tries to pretend like they're objective. I can say I don't understand that in the least.
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What are we defining as admitting that Chubb is better by the numbers? Chubb is better than what by what numbers? If it's in this thread, just the page # is fine.
Chubb's career has been better by the numbers laid out in this thread. You can look back through it if you missed it. It's not hard to find.
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just attacks me personally ... yep... that's all I've done. Ever. Not once in this thread have I provided a comment of substance that refutes the many garbage points that have been attempted in this thread.
Dude, you entered this discussion by attacking me for posting Jalen Hurts rather than Jalen Hurd, and for believing what Leonard Fournette said over the narrative that has been created on the SECR.
You've then proceeded to nitpick at my posts rather than address what I'm trying to discuss, which is your own criteria for what constitutes a good game for Chubb vs. what you think a good game is for Fournette. Rather than list the games you believe Fournette under-performed so that they can be compared to your minimum requirements that Chubb must meet for a good game (17 out of ~72 offensive touches (just adding rushing attempts and passing attempts... probably is excluding sacks but close enough) or 23% of our offensive snaps he had the ball, and accounted for just over 23% of our total yards. 74 total yards and no TDs), you continue to dance around the question.
I can't help but wonder why that is?
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 10:26 am
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Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:00 am to RB10
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You set this standard by saying his game against ND was not a poor one
You said he was a non-factor. I disagreed... it's not as though there isn't a world of grey in between those things... Not my job to help you understand that.
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Which games was Fournette a "shell of himself" then? Only 2015 Alabama? By the measure you're giving Chubb you can't include Arkansas, Ole Miss or Texas AM from that year. He, at minimum, matched what Chubb did against Notre Dame this year in each of those games.
You're electing to take Chubb's current worst performance and would like to discount Fournette's... If you want to compare Chubb's second worst performance to Fournette's and so on and so forth, by all means... selecting the biggest outlier and then comparing it to something that is less so seems intentionally obtuse. What you're essentially admitting is that Chubb's floor in 2017 is higher than Fournette's was up to this point with that argument. If you agree with that, then there is no need to "evaluate" further.
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What I don't understand is why it's happening from someone who tries to pretend like they're objective. I can say I don't understand that in the least.
Have I "shite on Guice" in this thread? To my knowledge I haven't attempted to do so. Did I take the opportunity to give you a little shite as you were so apt to do to others in the thread? Abso-fricking-lutely...
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Dude, you entered this discussion by attacking me for posting Jalen Hurts rather than Jalen Hurd, and for believing what Leonard Fournette said over the narrative that has been created on the SECR.
So pointing out a mistake and giving you a hard time for the irony of you expecting people to use common sense and extrapolate *while* you then told another poster that we should not extrapolate to make a point was attacking? It was humorous... sorry you didn't see it that way.
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believing what Leonard Fournette said
What Leonard Fournette said once the season had passed vs what was said at the time of the announcement that he wouldn't play? The narrative clearly shifted a couple of months later. If he couldn't go, he couldn't go, but it sure seems like they could have saved a ton of face if they just said he wasn't going to be medically cleared to play in the bowl game. If that was the official announcement, it certainly wasn't made very clear prior to the bowl game from what I had seen...
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address what I'm trying to discuss... you continue to dance around the question
See above... If you want we can use Fournette's floor and compare Chubb's games, in which case he's never had a bad game where he wasn't injured... I too can play facetious games where I attempt to prove something with stats. How about we wait until the season plays out and we'll actually be able to see how Chubb performs in critical games.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:49 pm to RB10
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Do keep in mind we probably shouldn't include 2016 for either of them since we've agreed that neither Fournette nor Chubb were playing at 100% in that season.
Great point. Lets get back to comparing 2014 and the start of 2015.
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