If you're electing to run with a one game sample size for Chubb, then sure, it's a sufficient enough comparison to get started. Worst game to worst game would really be enough... Are you claiming there is a more important game on your schedule every year than Alabama? Notre Dame *isn't* even the third most important game on our schedule... would probably be UF, AU, UT from an SEC importance standpoint (probably in that order for 2017). Historical/rivalry importance would be UF, AU, GT in no particular order...

It is currently the best quality win though, since apparently all teams in the SEC outside of the states of Georgia and Alabama have decided this would be a good year to shite the bed.

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You must agree that Chubb was a shell of himself for the entire 2016 season and in the Notre Dame game of 2017, correct?

I've said as much about 2016, even after what "looked" like a big game against UNC, I noticed that it didn't look like he had the same burst... playing behind an awful line certainly didn't do him any favors, but yeah 2016 was not a great year for him but he battled through it and decided to come back. Fortunately, it looks like in 2017 he's back closer to his old self. I'm not sure yet if he has quite the same top end speed, but at least the cuts and the power appear to be back at the very least.

As to shell of himself in the Notre Dame game, no... I think he was still impactful on the game but obviously not his best statistical performance either. It also didn't look like he was the focal point of our offense and that we perhaps game planned or adjusted to ND keying on Chubb. He accounted for 17 out of ~72 offensive touches (just adding rushing attempts and passing attempts... probably is excluding sacks but close enough) or 23% of our offensive snaps he had the ball, and accounted for just over 23% of our total yards... it's almost like when you touch the ball a lot, your stats go up, and when you touch it less often, they go up less.

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The 2nd half is less understandable with an ankle considering Guice is being shite on for the exact same limitation.

Your inability to either understand or acknowledge *why* this is happening is probably the most entertaining aspect of this thread... it's like the kid who throws shite at people and picks a fight then cries that people are picking on him because he gets punched in the nose... *You* personally may not have started a thread comparing LF7 to Chubb or Guice to Chubb... but LSU fans did... not once or twice, but repeatedly by many posters... as rigs has mentioned... at some point it comes time to pay the piper. It was a comical meme/trope then, just like it's a comical meme/trope now.

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admitted that Chubb is better by the numbers

What are we defining as admitting that Chubb is better by the numbers? Chubb is better than what by what numbers? If it's in this thread, just the page # is fine.

I've got no problems saying that Fournette's 2015 rushing statistics were the most impressive over a complete season that I've seen from an SEC running back in modern history. It certainly seemed like his YPC tailed off a bit toward the end of the season, not dramatically, but noticeably prior to facing Texas Tech. But he ended up offsetting that with a nice uptick in receiving yards at the same time in some of those late season losses where rushing yards were harder to come by. I've never argued anything contrary.

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Hard to have an "adult" conversation with someone who avoids addressing counter arguments and just attacks me personally.

avoids addressing counter arguments = disagrees with the manner in which you're attempting to make a comparison and explains why... seems logical and very adult of you...

just attacks me personally ... yep... that's all I've done. Ever. Not once in this thread have I provided a comment of substance that refutes the many garbage points that have been attempted in this thread.

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Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:23 am to fibonaccisquared

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If you're electing to run with a one game sample size for Chubb

You set this standard by saying his game against ND was not a poor one. I was just going to take your criteria and apply it to Fournette for the games he was a "shell of himself", in your opinion. In this regard, a one game sample is all that is needed.

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As to shell of himself in the Notre Dame game, no... I think he was still impactful on the game but obviously not his best statistical performance either. It also didn't look like he was the focal point of our offense and that we perhaps game planned or adjusted to ND keying on Chubb. He accounted for 17 out of ~72 offensive touches (just adding rushing attempts and passing attempts... probably is excluding sacks but close enough) or 23% of our offensive snaps he had the ball, and accounted for just over 23% of our total yards... it's almost like when you touch the ball a lot, your stats go up, and when you touch it less often, they go up less.

Which games was Fournette a "shell of himself" then? Only 2015 Alabama? By the measure you're giving Chubb you can't include Arkansas, Ole Miss or Texas AM from that year. He, at minimum, matched what Chubb did against Notre Dame this year in each of those games.

Do keep in mind we probably shouldn't include 2016 for either of them since we've agreed that neither Fournette nor Chubb were playing at 100% in that season.

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Your inability to either understand or acknowledge *why* this is happening is probably the most entertaining aspect of this thread... it's like the kid who throws shite at people and picks a fight then cries that people are picking on him because he gets punched in the nose... *You* personally may not have started a thread comparing LF7 to Chubb or Guice to Chubb... but LSU fans did... not once or twice, but repeatedly by many posters... as rigs has mentioned... at some point it comes time to pay the piper. It was a comical meme/trope then, just like it's a comical meme/trope now.

So, you think I don't under why it's happening from the trolls? Trust me, I do.

What I don't understand is why it's happening from someone who tries to pretend like they're objective. I can say I don't understand that in the least.

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What are we defining as admitting that Chubb is better by the numbers? Chubb is better than what by what numbers? If it's in this thread, just the page # is fine.

Chubb's career has been better by the numbers laid out in this thread. You can look back through it if you missed it. It's not hard to find.

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just attacks me personally ... yep... that's all I've done. Ever. Not once in this thread have I provided a comment of substance that refutes the many garbage points that have been attempted in this thread.

Dude, you entered this discussion by attacking me for posting Jalen Hurts rather than Jalen Hurd, and for believing what Leonard Fournette said over the narrative that has been created on the SECR.

You've then proceeded to nitpick at my posts rather than address what I'm trying to discuss, which is your own criteria for what constitutes a good game for Chubb vs. what you think a good game is for Fournette. Rather than list the games you believe Fournette under-performed so that they can be compared to your minimum requirements that Chubb must meet for a good game (17 out of ~72 offensive touches (just adding rushing attempts and passing attempts... probably is excluding sacks but close enough) or 23% of our offensive snaps he had the ball, and accounted for just over 23% of our total yards. 74 total yards and no TDs), you continue to dance around the question.

I can't help but wonder why that is?

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