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re: Roy Moore vs. Doug Jones

Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:30 am to
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:30 am to
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It was pretty clear early on that Luther and his staff underestimated Moore.


Luther didn't really underestimate Moore as much as he underestimated the hatred the voters had built up for Robert Bentley.

People trusted him and then he betrayed that trust in a fashion that everyone, and particularly his most fervent supporters, despised in spectacular fashion.

Luther thought he could distance himself from that hatred. He was warned that it would be an albatross, but he didn't listen and now his political career is over.

One final thought. As it became clear over the last couple of weeks that Moore would win, I've decided that all in all this could be about the best reasonable outcome for Alabama.

Roy Moore was never going to stop running for office. He's aged out of being eligible for Chief Justice (can't run if you're over 70), which left Governor as the only real target other than this vacant Senate seat. There's a huge R field. In that environment, Moore would have had a fantastic chance to make a runoff if not win a nomination outright and we'd be looking at GOVERNOR Roy Moore.

As a Senator, Moore is 1 out of 100 votes. There's little to no real damage he can do to the state. As the Governor, he could have burned the whole place to the ground. Let's assume he wins one full term in November 2018. When that ends, he'll be 78 years old and at or very near the end of his public presence. So Roy, go to Washington, vote on some judicial nominations, make a few speeches, and just please don't come back to Alabama very often.
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7658 posts
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:58 am to
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As a Senator, Moore is 1 out of 100 votes. There's little to no real damage he can do to the state. As the Governor, he could have burned the whole place to the ground. Let's assume he wins one full term in November 2018. When that ends, he'll be 78 years old and at or very near the end of his public presence. So Roy, go to Washington, vote on some judicial nominations, make a few speeches, and just please don't come back to Alabama very often.



This is the silver lining of the whole ordeal.

The following is what I wrote on the poli board last night regarding Moore, and it still holds true.

Oh American Christianity, look at what you have wrought. 

Roy Moore is a cancer born of the weird hypocritical, blasphemic, and sacreligious ideology that is American Christianity. A weird amalgamation of blind patriotism, capitalism, and cherry picked pieces of Christianity. Falwell's Moral Majority did far more to hurt the Church and this country, than it ever did to help. 

I am a Christian from a background in conservative holiness. Specifically Nazarene. My dad was a pastor, and I have been a youth pastor. I have spent a lot of time in the Bible and in prayerful thought to make these statements with 100% conviction. Christianity has been been completely subverted for power. I mean, 

quote:


I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America. and to the republic for which it stands.




We are Christians, our allegiance should be to Christ. Yet the "Christian Right" acts like the flag, national anthem, and pledge of allegiance are as holy as the Bible. Literally, that isn't hyperbole. They've been so conditioned to see America as a theocracy, that they can't separate it from the Church. 

The Church is a global entity. We should care about individuals in North Korea as much as we do our own family. We should respond with love, and grace to all we come in contact with. We should hug BLM and Antifa protesters, talk with them and get to know what drives them to do what they do. Same with KKK. And everyone to the right, left, up, down, and in between of both sides. Christ, Paul, and the early Church taught us to be pacifists, unless people were claiming to work for God to use his name for profit or power. Not to hoard weaponry and ammunition threatening to start another civil war because we disagree with those next to us. 

We can't legislate morality trying to send sin into hiding. We have to go out into a world of sin with grace and love to create followers of Christ. 

Now, politically, my beliefs are different. The above are my views regarding the Church. You may be an atheist, deist, mormon, Buddhist, Muslim, Jew, or follow the teachings of the spaghetti monster church. That is your decision, and I respect that. 

My dad spent years working for the Republican party in the 80's. I am, and always will be, a conservative. However, I'm not a Republican or Democrat. I'm not even Libertarian. It would be more accurate to call me an Anti-Federalist. If a state wants gay marriage, great. If a state to their east or west doesn't, great. That is up to the people of each state to decide. Don't like your state? Move, or start a political group to educate and change the minds of voters to create the change you want to see in the world. We were given basic protections to ensure the same minimum rights for all. And even with the expansion of power from the many of amendments that followed the Bill of Rights, many of the supposed national "rights" decisions by supreme court are not specifically enumerated anywhere. Meaning these things should belong to the state. 

Now that the rant is over. 

With Moore winning, I will be heavily researching Doug Jones in the next few weeks. To see if he is worthy of consideration as the Democrat's candidate. If not, I will not be voting, or will write in someone else. I absolutely cannot vote for Moore in good conscience. He has used Alabama and the people of this state to grandstand for the purpose of putting money in his own pocket, and his name in headlines, too many times. I am severely disappointed in the people of this state, but I am not surprised. 

It doesn't help that the other option was Luther Strange. I don't like him by any means, just dislike him less than Moore. 

I'm so fricking tired of politics in Alabama. How we have gained the trust of so many internal manufacturers to bring jobs to this state I will never know. 

After all, Alabama has been making bad choices in politics for a long, long time. Outside of college football, it might be the thing we are best at.
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