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Posted on 3/24/17 at 2:08 pm to
Posted by PurpleandGeauld
Florence, TX
Member since Oct 2013
5275 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 2:08 pm to
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You guys would be excited averaging a 10-3 season? Because, I think that you wouldn't.

Well you are absolutely right in that some fans would not be happy. But averaging 10-3 is more likely to look like 11-2, 8-5, 10-3, 12-1, 9-4. One playoff year, one NY6 year, 3 respectable years. And I would be okay with that. Bama aside, most every SEC team would be okay with that.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 2:09 pm to
It seems so
Posted by bamasgot13
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2010
13619 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 2:10 pm to
quote:

So my question here is, hypothetically, if Coach O over say the next 5 years, averages 10 wins a year (including bowl game), where would you rank him as an SEC coach (1 to 14)?

So, basically, you're asking where we rank him among SEC coaches IF he as able to duplicate the success levels of the guy you fired?
Posted by PurpleandGeauld
Florence, TX
Member since Oct 2013
5275 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 2:15 pm to
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They could've played until the sun came up and LSU wouldn't have scored on Alabama.

The offense was not very likely to, but Bama was locked down by LSU's D too. At any point in the first 3 quarters and into the fourth, LSU could have returned a punt, or scored on a turnover, and pulled it out. We also missed a FG in the 1st quarter that could have mattered. It was a close game that one or two big plays could have changed the outcome.
Posted by AshLSU
Member since Nov 2015
12868 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 2:21 pm to
quote:

I am not comparing Coach O to Nick Saban, but if you compare Nick's coaching skills from say his tenure at Michigan St (not terribly successful) to now, it looks like he learned from experience doesn't it?



The little tike did poorly in the NFL so that means he's a terrible coach. That's how it works around here.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
103250 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 2:23 pm to
quote:

The offense was not very likely to, but Bama was locked down by LSU's D too


LSU's defense was great, but Alabama moved the ball in spurts most of the game. LSU had nothing at all. They didn't even come close to scoring after the 1st drive when they were handed the ball in FG range and promptly moved backwards.

Alabama had drives of
9 plays, 32 yards
9 plays, 67 yards
5 plays, 54 yards
12 plays, 90 yards
15 plays, 50 yards

LSU had drives of
6 plays, 37 yards
11 plays, 40 yards
6 plays, 15 yards
2 plays, 15 yards

Those were literally their only 4 drives that gained over 10 yards. They had 1 2nd half drive that got more than 10 yards.

Alabama had 325 yards of offense. LSU had 125.
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 2:26 pm
Posted by madddoggydawg
Metairie
Member since Jun 2013
6612 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 2:25 pm to
O is good because he won't actually do any coaching.
Posted by johnzorback
Member since Apr 2012
4167 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

They either know how to do the things they are responsible for doing at a high level,


nothing about coach O but this line of thinking is wrong.

This only works at the bottom rung of management. Managers who do actual work beyond maintaining their personnel and overseeing duties are a joke. They get stuck at these bottom levels because no-one looking to promote you will take you seriously if you try to be part of the team instead of being a boss. you're much better off complaining and showing how an increased payroll is needed than to talk about how you step in to help when you don't have the payroll or personnel in place to get the work done.

No idea how this relates to football, but I hear this kind of thing so often.
Posted by remaster916
Alabama
Member since Oct 2012
12438 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 2:34 pm to
LSU will be looking for a new coach after averaging 8 wins a year the next 3 years.

LSU fans can fool themselves all they want, but everyone else knows how bad a decision LSU made by hiring O.

Will go down as one of the worst hires in LSU history.
Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
7291 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 2:48 pm to
I expect LSU fans to rationalize the hire. It's what fans do. Maybe it will work out for you.
Posted by PurpleandGeauld
Florence, TX
Member since Oct 2013
5275 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 2:51 pm to
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Will go down as one of the worst hires in LSU history.

Nah. Curley and Lou Tepper would be those. Coach O at the very least will recruit enough to win the 8 games Miles was doing at the end. He isn't going to be an actual loser. Perhaps a disappointment, but not a loser.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30757 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 2:52 pm to
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The offense was not very likely to, but Bama was locked down by LSU's D too. At any point in the first 3 quarters and into the fourth, LSU could have returned a punt, or scored on a turnover, and pulled it out. We also missed a FG in the 1st quarter that could have mattered. It was a close game that one or two big plays could have changed the outcome.



The story of LSU football for the last 3 seasons. If they could have, they would have won more than 8 regular season games in '14, '15, '16.
Posted by emanresu
Member since Dec 2009
9584 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 2:57 pm to
quote:

Actually he was D.C. At Ole Miss and tries to do everything himself.

That's like starting a company in your garage and saying that you work as a CEO. He's never been a real DC before.
Posted by PurpleandGeauld
Florence, TX
Member since Oct 2013
5275 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 3:00 pm to
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If they could have, they would have won more than 8 regular season games in '14, '15, '16.

We weren't going to lose to McNeese State in 2015 or S Alabama in 2016. So due to circumstances that actually were beyond the team's control, we missed out a win both those seasons. Not wins that would have mattered, but you guys count the cupcake wins too.
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 3:02 pm
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30757 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 3:03 pm to
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A good manager of any business is good because he or she does one of two things. They either know how to do the things they are responsible for doing at a high level, or they find others who do those things at a high level and delegate the work to them.

Coach O is that second guy. He finds people that excel and lets them do their thing. He finds good players and good asst coaches. The only X and O area he involves himself in is helping the Dline because that is a skill he does have.

So my question here is, hypothetically, if Coach O over say the next 5 years, averages 10 wins a year (including bowl game), where would you rank him as an SEC coach (1 to 14)? Given, he will likely have to replace both OC and DC at least once in that span, and do so successfully. If he does that well, does he get your respect?



Coach O will have to actually "coach" football, he will have make X & O decisions throughout the week of prep and at crucial points on game day.

He will have to make important decisions regardless of how great and fantastic is staffers are. All kinds of assumptions and hypothetical's can be made, but "if" he finds a way to win 10 games a year consistently then he will have earned respect from his SEC brethren.
Posted by TT9
Global warming
Member since Sep 2008
82971 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 3:19 pm to
lOl
Posted by Cold Drink
Member since Mar 2016
3482 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 3:32 pm to
Scared.
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