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re: Question about Freeze and those coaches that wear their faith so openly
Posted on 3/10/17 at 12:07 pm to drm185
Posted on 3/10/17 at 12:07 pm to drm185
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Logic alone would lead most people to the conclusion that this world was produced by a creator.
That doesn't necessarily make it the correct conclusion. The religious and non-religious are actually fairly close on this issue without even knowing it, but the minute differences of belief permeate nearly all topics.
How did the universe get here?
Religious: God created it. Who created god, and out of what? He created himself out of nothing
Non-religious: The universe created itself out of nothing.
This is over-simplified of course, but they are really just one step removed from one another. Also I'm only discussing god as the creator, not all the other attributes various religions have bestowed upon him over the years.
Some of the religious are unsatisfied with not addressing "what was before the 'big bang'?". Nothing is not an acceptable answer for them, for a number of different reasons. Some of the non-religious are unsatisfied with the idea that god can create himself out of nothing, while the universe cannot. Basically it's the same answer, but the religious are saying it's god (who, by the way, loves us the most and we are his chosen people and his favorite, and you have to follow these rules and you're supposed to pay x amount so we can continue to tell people about him), how convenient.
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Most people (even most atheists) don't live as if life is meaningless.
What would living life as though it were meaningless even look like? Would we be able to identify it even if we saw it?I think everybody makes their own 'meaning' in life. Even the devoutly religious are choosing to make their life about religion.
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therefore science will never be able to prove how something can be created from nothing. Science can not create a repeatable test showing how cells can just randomly appear and then transform
They are working on it.
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first into tadpoles and then into every other living creature that we observe today.
To be fair, evolution got a 2.5 billion year head start. We've only known about cells for like 300 years. If we had billions of years to observe, I bet we could get fairly close.
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 12:10 pm
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 1:22 pm to UAtide11
No Christian that I know of has ever claimed that God "created himself out of nothing". The Christian position would be that God has always existed. He then created a world in which there are certain rules or laws that govern it. The laws which we observe in this world don't apply to God like they do to us. God is over and above and outside of the physical laws that govern our existence. Just because we observe nature and see that things don't just pop into being doesn't mean that the same rules that prevent this from happening also apply to the Creator. The fact that I cannot understand everything about God and can't wrap my mind around how God could have always been in existence doesn't scare me. If there is a truly omnipotent, all powerful, all knowing Creator such as the God described in the Bible then it would follow that there will be many things about him that I am unable to comprehend.
I don't know what "living life as though it were meaningless would look like" and since you are the one that posed the question, I'm assuming you don't either. Perhaps the reason we can't even visualize this is because no one who's ever lived has truly lived as if life were meaningless, and in my opinion that is even more evidence that we were created by God. The concepts of meaning and purpose are so deep inside of us that we cannot even fathom someone taking an atheist at his word and genuinely living as if we are all here by chance and nothing that we do matters in the slightest. You and I both think "everybody makes their own 'meaning' in life" and I think it is more plausible to assume that we do that because that is the way God made us because if we are just a product of chance and evolutionary processes then the concepts of love and honesty and fairness do not matter and we should only be concerned with our own survival.
I don't know what "living life as though it were meaningless would look like" and since you are the one that posed the question, I'm assuming you don't either. Perhaps the reason we can't even visualize this is because no one who's ever lived has truly lived as if life were meaningless, and in my opinion that is even more evidence that we were created by God. The concepts of meaning and purpose are so deep inside of us that we cannot even fathom someone taking an atheist at his word and genuinely living as if we are all here by chance and nothing that we do matters in the slightest. You and I both think "everybody makes their own 'meaning' in life" and I think it is more plausible to assume that we do that because that is the way God made us because if we are just a product of chance and evolutionary processes then the concepts of love and honesty and fairness do not matter and we should only be concerned with our own survival.
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