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re: Question about Freeze and those coaches that wear their faith so openly
Posted on 3/9/17 at 3:15 pm to drm185
Posted on 3/9/17 at 3:15 pm to drm185
To be frank, I reject the notion of an intervening, personal god. I was just trying to give a reasonable argument as to how one would reconcile the seemingly contradictory tenets of omnipotence and free will.
I think the following is a cop-out.
I think your statement is 100% true, that seems to be the traditional understanding. I just don't subscribe to it.
Personally, I feel that is a way to give credit for the positive (and occasionally cite them as evidence), while insulating from the negative. I just find it hard to believe that a benevolent god would intercede help Ray Lewis win a Super Bowl or Lil' Wayne win a Grammy, but will let innocent children perish in often very cruel ways.
And the position is unassailable, because on the one hand "all things happen through god" (so he's responsible for everything) and "because man sins" (so god isn't responsible because it's humanity's fault). then you have the notion of "god works in mysterious ways" so despite being described as infinitely benevolent, you can't question objectively horrible things that happen (either because he interceded or failed to intercede).
I'll be the first to admit to my simple-mindedness, but the whole thing reeks of "This is the exact nature of existence, don't question it because it's beyond our collective understanding"
I think the following is a cop-out.
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I think the traditional understanding of predestination is that God actively intercedes on behalf of his elect (i.e. those he saves) but he leaves the unbelievers in their sin and decides not to intervene.
I think your statement is 100% true, that seems to be the traditional understanding. I just don't subscribe to it.
Personally, I feel that is a way to give credit for the positive (and occasionally cite them as evidence), while insulating from the negative. I just find it hard to believe that a benevolent god would intercede help Ray Lewis win a Super Bowl or Lil' Wayne win a Grammy, but will let innocent children perish in often very cruel ways.
And the position is unassailable, because on the one hand "all things happen through god" (so he's responsible for everything) and "because man sins" (so god isn't responsible because it's humanity's fault). then you have the notion of "god works in mysterious ways" so despite being described as infinitely benevolent, you can't question objectively horrible things that happen (either because he interceded or failed to intercede).
I'll be the first to admit to my simple-mindedness, but the whole thing reeks of "This is the exact nature of existence, don't question it because it's beyond our collective understanding"
Posted on 3/9/17 at 4:35 pm to UAtide11
UAtide11, I can definitely understand your point of view because the world often seems to be cruel and the poor and marginalized often times only seem to get more marginalized.
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