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re: Question about Freeze and those coaches that wear their faith so openly
Posted on 3/9/17 at 12:13 pm to drm185
Posted on 3/9/17 at 12:13 pm to drm185
They are not exactly the same, but are very closely related. And for the basis of this discussion can be treated as equivalent.
Predestination = all events have been willed by god
Determinism = all events are the result of previous events; things will unfold a certain way precisely because of their preceding conditions
The implication in my usage being that with determinism and religion, god's will is the fundamental impetus or cause of all ensuing events.
Predestination = all events have been willed by god
Determinism = all events are the result of previous events; things will unfold a certain way precisely because of their preceding conditions
The implication in my usage being that with determinism and religion, god's will is the fundamental impetus or cause of all ensuing events.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 2:41 pm to UAtide11
UAtide11, I don't understand predestination to mean that every single event that has ever happened has been according to God's will. I mean of course you would have to say that if God exists and he is in control then everything that comes to pass (good or bad) is only happening because he is allowing it, but I think that starts to get at God's preceptive will vs his decretive will. God decrees certain things to happen and they come to pass. God also shows his will in various precepts. But these two things are not the same. I don't think most folks who believe in predestination as I laid out believe that God "wills" that people should sin or that people should perish. Of course, God allows things to transpire but I don't think that means that he actively caused the thing in question to happen. I think the traditional understanding of predestination is that God actively intercedes on behalf of his elect (i.e. those he saves) but he leaves the unbelievers in their sin and decides not to intervene. While it sounds harsh, it is not unjust in the slightest and God is the creator so he can certainly do as he pleases with his creation.
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