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re: 247 List of Top Jobs in College FB
Posted on 2/21/17 at 8:33 am to OilfieldLSUFan
Posted on 2/21/17 at 8:33 am to OilfieldLSUFan
Garbage list.
Clemson #3? ... yeah that's why they had to hire their interim coach who had zero HC experience the last time it opened up. Turned out to be a good move, but if Clemson was the #3 job in America, then they could have had anyone they wanted at that time. Which was obviously not the case. Dabo has improved Clemson's stature since then, sure, but its still not a Top 10 job.
Oklahoma #5... no way. Oklahoma is a recruiting wasteland. This past Class saw just 3 kids from Oklahoma ranked in 247Sports Top 200 prospects. There were zero Top 200 kids from neighboring Kansas and Missouri. That means you have to go into Texas to recruit most all of your talent. You also have a formidable instate foe in Oklahoma State who is backed with T. Boone Pickens' money. While OU still wins most of those battles, there is still someone they have to share the state with, unlike other schools like LSU and Georgia =who have no real instate competition... at least not of OSU's calibur.
I even think Bama at #1 is a stretch. It's a Top 3 job for sure, but there are reasons why I believe some are better:
1. They share a state with Auburn. I know Bama is the dominant power in that state, but over the past generation those programs have essentially split the series. Bama has way more titles, but Auburn has claimed a good number of SEC Titles during the past 30 years, plus a National Title. Auburn is routinely a Top 10 recruiting school in the nation, so obviously they are a formidable foe to share a state with. There are only 4 states that produced two schools who made the Top 16 coaching jobs on this list: Florida, California, Texas, and Alabama. One of those has about 20% the population of the others.
2. Alabama the state produces a solid amount of talent, per capita. But its just a smaller state. Here are the number of kids in the 2017 247Sports Top 200 from the following states:
34- Texas
31- Florida
21- California
21- Georgia
9- Alabama
8- Louisiana
Alabama produces about a third of the talent that Texas, Florida, and California do, while also sharing the state with Auburn. That makes it a bit more difficult.
3. No privacy for coaches. Let's be honest. Whoever is coach at USC can go out to a restaurant and be left alone. In fact, he'll probably stay unnoticed most nights out in a city like L.A. At Alabama, you give up your privacy. If you go out to dinner, you will be mobbed by adoring fans. That has to get old at some point.
Sure, when all things are clicking, Alabama may be the Top job. But if all things are equal, and if you ask most coaches the following question: "Which school would you rather coach at if you took over after a decade straight of 8-4 seasons at that school?", I believe USC, Ohio State, Texas, and maybe even Florida would be chosen before Alabama.
Clemson #3? ... yeah that's why they had to hire their interim coach who had zero HC experience the last time it opened up. Turned out to be a good move, but if Clemson was the #3 job in America, then they could have had anyone they wanted at that time. Which was obviously not the case. Dabo has improved Clemson's stature since then, sure, but its still not a Top 10 job.
Oklahoma #5... no way. Oklahoma is a recruiting wasteland. This past Class saw just 3 kids from Oklahoma ranked in 247Sports Top 200 prospects. There were zero Top 200 kids from neighboring Kansas and Missouri. That means you have to go into Texas to recruit most all of your talent. You also have a formidable instate foe in Oklahoma State who is backed with T. Boone Pickens' money. While OU still wins most of those battles, there is still someone they have to share the state with, unlike other schools like LSU and Georgia =who have no real instate competition... at least not of OSU's calibur.
I even think Bama at #1 is a stretch. It's a Top 3 job for sure, but there are reasons why I believe some are better:
1. They share a state with Auburn. I know Bama is the dominant power in that state, but over the past generation those programs have essentially split the series. Bama has way more titles, but Auburn has claimed a good number of SEC Titles during the past 30 years, plus a National Title. Auburn is routinely a Top 10 recruiting school in the nation, so obviously they are a formidable foe to share a state with. There are only 4 states that produced two schools who made the Top 16 coaching jobs on this list: Florida, California, Texas, and Alabama. One of those has about 20% the population of the others.
2. Alabama the state produces a solid amount of talent, per capita. But its just a smaller state. Here are the number of kids in the 2017 247Sports Top 200 from the following states:
34- Texas
31- Florida
21- California
21- Georgia
9- Alabama
8- Louisiana
Alabama produces about a third of the talent that Texas, Florida, and California do, while also sharing the state with Auburn. That makes it a bit more difficult.
3. No privacy for coaches. Let's be honest. Whoever is coach at USC can go out to a restaurant and be left alone. In fact, he'll probably stay unnoticed most nights out in a city like L.A. At Alabama, you give up your privacy. If you go out to dinner, you will be mobbed by adoring fans. That has to get old at some point.
Sure, when all things are clicking, Alabama may be the Top job. But if all things are equal, and if you ask most coaches the following question: "Which school would you rather coach at if you took over after a decade straight of 8-4 seasons at that school?", I believe USC, Ohio State, Texas, and maybe even Florida would be chosen before Alabama.
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 8:38 am to BHMKyle
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Sure, when all things are clicking, Alabama may be the Top job. But if all things are equal, and if you ask most coaches the following question: "Which school would you rather coach at if you took over after a decade straight of 8-4 seasons at that school?", I believe USC, Ohio State, Texas, and maybe even Florida would be chosen before Alabama.
But they are looking at right now, and right now Bama is able to recruit nationally pretty well and regionally without equal. Clemson is doing that as well RIGHT NOW. It's more sustainable in Ohio or Texas or Louisiana etc. without having a superstar coach, but right now those schools aren't hurting because they have that.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 8:38 am to BHMKyle
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Alabama produces about a third of the talent that Texas, Florida, and California do, while also sharing the state with Auburn. That makes it a bit more difficult
But you can also easily recruit MS, LA, FL, TN, and GA. The recruiting base isn't limited to just Alabama.
You can easily get to 4 of the top 6 states you listed.
I'm not saying Alabama should be #1, but I don't think instate talent and sharing a state with Auburn should be why they drop.
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 8:43 am
Posted on 2/21/17 at 9:16 am to BHMKyle
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Alabama produces about a third of the talent that Texas, Florida, and California do, while also sharing the state with Auburn. That makes it a bit more difficult.
Its not all about in state talent.Please,if that was the case the UGA job would be top 3 hands down. Ga has surpassed Ohio by a wide margin in talent and will produce more P5 signess than California within 5 years.
In state talent helps but its far from a determining factor in success.You have to have a "committed" administration and an AD that will do and spend whatever in takes to win
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 9:20 am
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:15 am to BHMKyle
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Alabama produces about a third of the talent that Texas, Florida, and California do, while also sharing the state with Auburn.
Look at the top 10-12 players in the state of Alabama, see where those players rank nationally, and see where they go to college. Bama shares state with AU, but most AU fans would agree that Bama wins those head-to-head in-state battles more often than not.
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I even think Bama at #1 is a stretch
more bowl wins, 10+ win seasons, and championships of any school all time. money is not a problem. facilities are incredible. cupboard is stacked. Every coach for 60 years has been able to win 10+ games at Bama (including Mike Freaking DuBose and Mike Shula). It's the top job for a number of reasons, but even if not in the opinion of some, it is in the opinion of the guy they'll target to replace Saban.
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