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I thought that was the narrative on why Kirby can't or won't be successful at UGA? He was supposed to walk in and make up for a non-functional offensive line, a freshman QB, and a receiving corps who clearly have family history in the masonry business as their hands are rather brick like.

You had Nick Chubb and an all-star quarterback recruit.

We had Del Rio and the backup quarterback at Purdue.

Georgia also had 2 deep at every offensive-line position when he walked in, McElwain had a backup for one of them.

Isiah Wynn: Junior.
Dyson Sims: Junior.
Brandon Kublanow: Senior.
Greg Pyke: Senior.
Kendall Baker: Sophomore.

In Comparison to the three true freshmen we played on the line the first year.

So yeah, you had a better quarterback, a better line, a better pair of running backs and outside of two freshmen receivers who broke a few records, we haven't had dick.

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It was a nice turnaround to land a top 10 class, but TJ also has some valid complaints re: the class that you did land.

Yeah, a Georgia fan doesn't really get just where we were -- coming off of two years failing and barely getting a bowl and the recruiting class McElwain walked into literally had 9 players by mid-December. It was the worst recruiting class we've had in a while and honestly, we were going to very bad places for our program.

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Offense.

Yep, last head coach didn't recruit anything on that side of the ball.

RS Senior transferred after being destroyed mentally by Muschamp's borderline retarded offensive mindset.

RS Freshman quarterback pisses hot.

Treon Harris is not a quarterback.

Luke Del Rio is a Walkon quarterback.

Appleby is a backup from Purdue.

The other two are Freshmen quarterbacks waiting, as this year was designed to be a rebuilding year where we just happened to have quite a bit of success.

Offensive line has 4 underclassmen starting.

Best receivers are underclassmen.

Best running backs are underclassmen.

You also conveniently left out the part where we had to play in Baton Rouge, thusly losing TWO home games while having to play against Alabama.

UGA recruits their asses off, and saying they haven't won the last few years in recruiting simply isn't intellectually honest -- regardless, we will still beat you on the field.

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Posted on 2/7/17 at 8:34 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom

Really... You can't just accept that is maybe a bit hypocritical, you've got to actually prove my point, solid.

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You had Nick Chubb and an all-star quarterback recruit. We had Del Rio and the backup quarterback at Purdue.

Nick Chubb coming off a violent injury that as we saw wasn't back to 100% and Sony Michel who fractured an arm like 2 months before the season. And a FRESHMAN qb... Talented or not, they make mistakes but our alternative was Greyson Lambert... Long term we'll be better off there, but game managing is easier with upper classmen.

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Georgia also had 2 deep at every offensive-line position when he walked in, McElwain had a backup for one of them. Isiah Wynn: Junior. Dyson Sims: Junior. Brandon Kublanow: Senior. Greg Pyke: Senior. Kendall Baker: Sophomore.

frick off we were 2 deep at every position. We had ONE "real" OT this season and he was a grad transfer from Rhode Island who got destroyed in pass pro most of the season... At the other tackle position, we were starting a pretty talented guard because there literally wasn't a better option. The fact that there are something like 13 scholarship OL and only 6 were in contention to play as bad as it looked at times says more about previous talent evaluation and roster management. That's a 2 deep in name only.

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In Comparison to the three true freshmen we played on the line the first year.

The discussion on your offense in this thread has been relative to year two. At this point that is a positive if he's coaching them well. FWIW, it looks like we'll be starting at least one freshman at the RT spot this year and maybe LT by late season if the juco guy isn't working out there. So we're just delayed on being able to get line continuity.

Florida has been winning in spite of their offense, not because of it. I'd be concerned were I in your shoes. Hell, if we don't see improvement in on field results this year, I'll be concerned. We've got a tougher road schedule this year but Auburn with Stidham might be the biggest challenge. Think ND will be overrated as always and UT just lost a ton of meaningful contributors.

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Yeah, a Georgia fan doesn't really get just where we were -- coming off of two years failing and barely getting a bowl and the recruiting class McElwain walked into literally had 9 players by mid-December. It was the worst recruiting class we've had in a while and honestly, we were going to very bad places for our program.

Woe the frick is the plight of the Florida fan...

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Yep, last head coach didn't recruit anything on that side of the ball.

5* offensive recruits under Muschamp:
QB, OT, RB
4* offensive recruits under Muschamp:
TE, RB, QB, WR, WR, OG, TE, TE, RB, QB, WR, WR, WR, WR, QB, OT, ATH, WR

Or in other words 4 QB, 3 RB, 3 TE, 3 OL, 7 WR, and an ATH (QBish Treon). 21 over 4 years.

If you're gonna critique it, it's similar to the Richt offensive recruiting philosophy... Load up on skill players and figure OL out later... Or never... Just offer this 2/3*...

Mac signed 5 last year and 6 this year, 5 if you account for the fact that Slaton has said he wants to play DT at the next level...

They're averaging the same even if I exclude his initial class with only 3. And honestly, the 4/5* OL recruiting looks about the same as well 2-3 in this class (depending on Slaton), none last year, and one in 15.

Not going to bother responding to the rest of the excuses, it's rationalization of your beliefs that Mac is good for the program rather than substantive argument. The Bama game certainly hurts from a statistical standpoint but at this point would still expect him to have the offense somewhere in the top 75 given his background. If you aren't out Jimmy and Joe-ing them you've gotta out X & O them, and the UF defense isn't going to be able to carry a poor offense for much longer (this might have been the last year? not sure what you guys lost/kept).

Suffice it to say, he isn't having the effect of dramatically improving the offense that Muschamp theoretically destroyed and abandoned but what is happening is a lot of that stellar defensive talent that Muschamp brought in is going away... I'm not going to say TJ and I agree on everything here but his complaints and concerns are valid. If you can't see it, not sure anyone's going to change your mind.

And if we lose to UF the next two seasons, Kirby will be on the next train out I'd imagine, and whoever replaces him will have a stocked cupboard... Don't see it happening given the trends in recruiting but who the eff knows in that game. Some mystical freaking juju in Jax or something.