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re: BLM and the Chicago Kidnapping/Torture Case

Posted on 1/7/17 at 10:44 pm to
Posted by Tropic Lightning
South Florida
Member since Nov 2006
923 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 10:44 pm to
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TeLeFaWx


These are not difficult concepts. Cognitive dissonance is strong here.

I'm saying in the same sense no body went and enlisted to actually fight in Iraq over WMD's , nobody went to fight for the richest people in their societies property.

Just like nobody is enlisting to go fight for Afghani women's rights, regardless of what our politicians say, no Northern ever laid foot on Southern soil to deny forced servitude. They could have staid home and done that.

This is not hard stuff.

No way Johnny Reb walked his arse across the Manogahala Forest than the Shenandoah Valkey to Lexington, VA to enlist to keep some cotton farmer in business in the Mississippi Delta.

No way Billy Yank left his dry goods store in Indiana to go free The Negro in South Carolina. These are 19th Century people we are talking about here.

The Emancipation Proclamation was about three things.

1. Make it politically impossible for a European Nation to ally with The Cinfederacy.
2. Attempt to obstruct Southern agriculture.
3. Give The North something to fight for.

Why y'all are wrong ( some more ) President of The United States Andrew Johnson wanted to allow Southern States back into The Union without abolishing slavery and that's exactly what Grant agreed to at Appomattox Court House.

The 13th Amendment was ratified by Northern States until 1868. When Grant became POTUS that is when all this slavery revisionist history began with the reunification laws.

Lee stopped to see President Grant at The White House about his reneging on The Peace Agreement - Grant could not face Lee nor utter so much as a sentence.

If you do not understand at this point, there nothing else I can do for you.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 10:56 pm to
"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world,” proclaimed Mississippi in its own secession declaration, passed Jan. 9, 1861. “Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of the commerce of the earth. .?.?. A blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization."

If you do not understand at this point, there nothing else I can do for you.

Posted by rtr1986
Member since Aug 2016
229 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 11:39 pm to
"I have no purpose, to directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exist."
Abraham Lincoln first inauguration
The Emancipation Proclamation was about keeping Europe (mainly England) from entering the war on the side of the Confederacy cause England had been having communications with the CSA.
The common Northerner or Southerner wasn't worried about a slave or slavery when they was trying to kill each other on the battlefield.
The rich slave owners and government officials didn't want slavery to end cause cotton was a big economic resource, northeners and free blacks did also own slaves.
A southerner like Robert E Lee in Northern Virginia viewed the cause more as a 2nd Revolutionary War, so he wouldn't necessarily hold the same view as a plantation owner in Mississippi.
The best way to learn about how people felt during the war is to read the soldiers letters and journals they wrote throughout the war.
This post was edited on 1/8/17 at 12:01 am
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46590 posts
Posted on 1/8/17 at 12:10 am to
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I'm saying in the same sense no body went and enlisted to actually fight in Iraq over WMD's , nobody went to fight for the richest people in their societies property.


Slavery gave poor white southerners someone to look down upon and place beneath themselves on the social ladder. It's a well documented sentiment in the old south.

Additionally, it was part of their culture. They fought to protect this culture.
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