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re: The SEC becomes All-Time Winning Percentage boss

Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:59 am to
Posted by IAmReality
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:59 am to
The main reason you should count forfeited and vacated wins and shite is because that is completely subjective NCAA crap.

Every single major program would have hundreds of vacated wins if everything that ever happened was known.

NCAA probation and penalties are mostly a function of who got caught, not a function of actual rule breaking.

The penalties are also all over the place. Some teams get a slap on the wrist for something, and then another team gets hammered for it, etc.

As such, the only thing that matters is what actually happened on the field.
Posted by randomways
North Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
12988 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:37 am to
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The main reason you should count forfeited and vacated wins and shite is because that is completely subjective NCAA crap.

Every single major program would have hundreds of vacated wins if everything that ever happened was known.

NCAA probation and penalties are mostly a function of who got caught, not a function of actual rule breaking.

The penalties are also all over the place. Some teams get a slap on the wrist for something, and then another team gets hammered for it, etc.

As such, the only thing that matters is what actually happened on the field.


I see the footnote, but I'm not sure this applies to us. That said, I don't disagree. The NCAA can vacate games officially all it wants, but that doesn't change the fact that the games were played and, for the most part, never involved a team gaining a substantial on-field advantage. The NCAA is just the official tally-keeper -- it has no say in how everyone else chooses to handle the games. I say, count 'em unless a provable on-field advantage occurred in the process of whatever violation is being punished.
Posted by Snout Spout
Somewhere in the 17th century
Member since Jul 2015
958 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 11:24 am to
quote:

The main reason you should count forfeited and vacated wins and shite is because that is completely subjective NCAA crap.

Every single major program would have hundreds of vacated wins if everything that ever happened was known.

NCAA probation and penalties are mostly a function of who got caught, not a function of actual rule breaking.

The penalties are also all over the place. Some teams get a slap on the wrist for something, and then another team gets hammered for it, etc.

As such, the only thing that matters is what actually happened on the fie


Also note, many teams, especially from the former SWC, had been ordered by the NCAA to forfeit games, but never changed the official record.

Not sure why Bama pretends games never happened when other schools don't.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
18157 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 11:33 am to
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The main reason you should count forfeited and vacated wins and shite is because that is completely subjective NCAA crap.


07 fsu, we sat 5 possible ineligible players, fsu said frick you and played almost 30 ineligible. I absolutely do not recognize that outcome, at all.
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