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would totally support substantial increases to police officer pay in order to attract more/better candidates. Police are necessary, but the system is a god awful mess right now. Pretending that there aren't problems doesn't make them go away.

Oh, there are problems alright. Whenever someone doesn't know if he/she will be backed by his/her department for defending his/her life - that's a problem. Whenever someone doesn't know if he/she will see his/her kids at the end of shift - that's a problem. My apologies again, but $ isn't going to fix that problem. $ isn't going to make someone roll over and die for stats. $ isn't going to be a father to your kids. Plain and simple: if an officer is defending his/her life, or the lives of others - it's justified. I don't care what stats say, but going home at EOS is what matters most. In all my days, I NEVER met anyone who wanted to kill someone. NEVER! The ones who did, carried it as a sin from there on out.
It's easy to be a textbook hero. It's easy to play Devils Advocate. What's not easy is real life. I've seen strong men and strong women humbled by the job. We are all human. Sometimes, you miss real life when you just look at the numbers.

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Posted by Papplesbeast

St. Louis

Member since Dec 2014

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Posted on 7/13/16 at 6:24 pm to blacknblu

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Oh, there are problems alright. Whenever someone doesn't know if he/she will be backed by his/her department for defending his/her life - that's a problem.

Why does the police department need to "back" an officer? American civilians who use deadly force to defend themselves don't have a police department backing them, and they do just fine.

The police are part of the justice system. They are supposed to be impartial. They should treat a police officer who shoots someone no differently than they treat a civilian who shoots someone.

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Whenever someone doesn't know if he/she will see his/her kids at the end of shift - that's a problem.

If you're concerned for police, you should be really concerned about loggers. They have nearly 10 times the occupational death rate of police officers. Even construction is a more dangerous job than being a police officer. Police work doesn't even crack the top 10 of most dangerous jobs in the US.

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My apologies again, but $ isn't going to fix that problem. $ isn't going to make someone roll over and die for stats.

Higher pay results in higher quality employees. That's Economics 101. Your statement is so bizarre that I wonder if you're a closet commie. Do you think capitalism doesn't apply?

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$ isn't going to be a father to your kids. Plain and simple: if an officer is defending his/her life, or the lives of others - it's justified.

Smarter people are less likely to get themselves into life threatening situation in the first place.

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I don't care what stats say, but going home at EOS is what matters most.

Exactly. The police don't exist to serve and protect. They exist to collect a government check and go home at the end of their shift.

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In all my days, I NEVER met anyone who wanted to kill someone. NEVER!

You're talking about pre-mediated murder and you are basically saying that you've never met a serial killer. Congrats. That's true for most Americans. Most violence is not pre-meditated. It's the result of people letting their emotions get out of control, typically anger, but sometimes fear.

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The ones who did, carried it as a sin from there on out. It's easy to be a textbook hero. It's easy to play Devils Advocate. What's not easy is real life. I've seen strong men and strong women humbled by the job. We are all human.

Sometimes, you miss real life when you just look at the numbers.

Are you saying that public policy should be based on peoples' feelings?

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