ULL was hit with scholarship penalties and a lot of vacated wins.

All I mean in this convo is that Saunders lack of cooperation after he was fired was never removed from the allegations or reduced from Level 1. It was included in the very last NCAA document as one of the infractions that led to ULL's penalties. So Ole Miss fans can't assume that OM won't be held liable for Saunders and Vaughn lying to the NCAA after being fired from Ole Miss.

This started with an OM fan saying that there aren't really eight Level 1 violations because two of them were Saunders and Vaughn lying and not cooperating after they were fired. He said Ole Miss can't be held liable for those and that those two violations would be thrown out.

I then showed where the NCAA made the same allegation against ULL, ULL then agreed that it is an infraction, cited Rule 19.2.3, and agreed it was a Level 1 violation. The NCAA included the allegation in their final penalty document. It was never reduced or thrown out.

Ole Miss has refuted the allegation, so maybe the NCAA will go along with that, even though they penalized ULL with the same allegation. ULL never argued against it.

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Posted by ABearsFanNMS

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Posted on 7/10/16 at 12:18 pm to MedDawg

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Ole Miss has refuted the allegation, so maybe the NCAA will go along with that, even though they penalized ULL with the same allegation. ULL never argued against it.

The major difference is Saunders was refusing to cooperate & did lie while employed by ULL. In the Ole Miss situation, the lies Saunders and Vaughn told were YEARS after they were no longer employed by Ole Miss. That there is a slippery slope. It would be like a governing body sanction my former employer for me lying about something years after I left that employer.

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Posted by TampaReb

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Posted on 7/10/16 at 12:52 pm to MedDawg

Ole Miss isn't refuting it because it has nothing to do with them as they stated in the NOA. It didn't make a case for them not being responsible there attorneys stated it as a fact. But again I'm sure you are much more informed in the NCAA process then Ole Miss's attorney.

Look at the NCAA final decision when they broke down the infraction of Rule 19.2.3 it never once address that ULL had any responsibility it only address Saunders did and in great detail. You can keep ignoring the facts all you want.

Those violations against Saunders and Vaughn 100% will not be thrown out in any way. Just like Saunders violation with ULL wasn't thrown out he was hammered for it and they will get hit for those two violations. Just Ole Miss won't because they are not responsible or tied to those infractions. It was all Saunders and Vaughn on there own with out any connection to Ole Miss. schools are responsible for booster and coaches because they are considered part of the University. Ole Miss has not refuted them because they are not invoked in those violations. Or are you saying a school can be punished for an infraction that a coach commits after they are fired and 100% not associated with the school? Just provide a source to that. Just show where the NCAA states that a University is responsible for a fired coach lying? Just give one source for that. It is 100% violation for the coach yes but not the school.

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