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re: Bama's Road Schedule

Posted on 6/15/16 at 3:11 pm to
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 6/15/16 at 3:11 pm to
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They have advanced SOS figures to determine strong / weak schedules that is a much better analysis than all of the picking and choosing you are doing in this thread.


THere is not "picking and choosing" going on. If an opponent finished ranked in the Top 25, they are counted. The problem with a lot of SOS metrics is this: If Team A plays six teams that all finished with a record of 4-8 and Team B played six teams that finish with a record of 1-11, then an SOS metric is probably going to say that for those portions of the schedule, Team A's schedule was 4x more difficult. But the fact of the matter is whether a team has 1 win in a season or 4 wins in a season, those are all horrible opponents. No credit should be given to either team for those opponents.

Secondly, if Team A plays Troy and Team B plays North Dakota State, a lot of metrics are going to penalize Team B for playing an FCS school.... but everyone knows that FCS school is way better than a Sun Belt opponent.

There is really no great way to factor these things.

This is why games played against teams that finish in the Top 25 is a good method. Most teams that finish in the top 25 are pretty decent. Most teams that don't finish in the Top 25 aren't that good. You're left squabbling over 10-12 teams in the middle that might be a difference.

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Also one big flaw in your analysis that you can't really account for (or at least haven't yet I don't think) is that Alabama beats the shite out the ranked/almost ranked teams it plays at a much higher clip than everyone else on your list resulting in Alabama knocking out a bunch of its ranked/almost ranked opponents.


Not accounted for yet? Do you know how to read? It's be explained ad nauseum.

First off, Bama beating a team alone is not going to knock them out of the Top 25. In fact, in all likelihood that loss is hardly counted against a team in most years. For a team to finish outside the Top 25, they'll have a minimum of 3 losses... and likely more like 5. There were a lot of other teams besides Bama that beat those teams to cause them to drop out of the TOp 25.

Secondly, we're talking about games PLAYED against Top 25 teams... not games WON. Bama fans are claiming that had Bama not beaten Georgia (#26), Mississippi State (#28), or Arkansas (#30) last season then those teams would have been finished ranked... well fine but guess what? Every other SEC team that played those 3 also don't get to count them. So when comparing schedules, if Bama doesn't get to count MSU, nor does any other Western Division team who also all played MSU.

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In other words, according to your very rudimentary analysis of SOS the better you are and more you win the worse your schedule is.


Nope. Not necessarily the case. Since 2007, Auburn has faced the most Top 25 teams during regular season play.... yet they've played for two national titles during this span. Obviously it hasn't punished them.

Meanwhile, aside from Bama, Kentucky has played the fewest Top 25 teams during the regular season. Obviously getting beat by most everyone hasn't had that effect on Kentucky.

So your theory doesn't hold water.
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 6/15/16 at 3:42 pm to

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Since 2007, Auburn has faced the most Top 25 teams during regular season play.... yet they've played for two national titles during this span. Obviously it hasn't punished them.


Alabama has 33 more wins than Auburn in the last 8 years alone. Horrible example for you to use. Again Alabama is beating a lot more of its ranked/borderline ranked teams than Auburn is which impacts how many of Alabama's opponents end the year ranked compared to Auburn.

Like I said Alabama is beating almost all the ranked and borderline ranked teams it plays, more so than everyone else, and this absolutely impacts the number of teams it plays that end up ranked at the end of the year. It impacts Alabama more so than any other team and that is a fact. Not sure why you would even try to deny it/ignore it. Stated another way if Alabama plays those ranked teams / borderline ranked teams at a similar winning/losing clip as other teams do, you would see Alabama's number of end of year ranked opponents go up. This is the flaw in your analysis.

I'm not saying Alabama has played the toughest schedule in the SEC, but the significant flaw in your analysis overstates the perceived weakness in Alabama's schedule. The bottom line is the better you do against your ranked/borderline ranked opponents, the more ranked opponents you knock out of your final tally. Over a period of 8 years of winning at the clip Alabama has, it makes a difference even if you refuse to acknowledge it.

This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 3:43 pm
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