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Posted on 6/1/16 at 12:13 am to EKG
Posted on 6/1/16 at 12:13 am to EKG
kendall married a longhorn and has lived in austin for a good bit. you guys thinking he is biased dont have a fricking clue.
its actually a joke among alot of aggies how much he hates being an aggie because of how much he reps the longhorns. he even posts on the UT rivals.com site much more than the A&M one.
A&M facilities are top notch, SEC is best conference, and houston metroplex is considered to be the most talent rich area in the country for prep baseball. Take it up with him if you disagree and post the response.
its actually a joke among alot of aggies how much he hates being an aggie because of how much he reps the longhorns. he even posts on the UT rivals.com site much more than the A&M one.
A&M facilities are top notch, SEC is best conference, and houston metroplex is considered to be the most talent rich area in the country for prep baseball. Take it up with him if you disagree and post the response.
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 12:13 am to lestertheghost
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Every aggie on this board will swear aTm is better, that's what aTm fans do
If you can find one Aggie that says A&M has the better pedigree, I will avoid posting for a month.
If you can find one Whorn that says they have the better team right now, ask him for a hit.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 12:14 am to texashorn
Posted on 6/1/16 at 12:24 am to Rodo
I'm not gonna argue that ATM with BlueBellPark, fans in stands, Tejas talent, a really good HC, and an SEC conference schedule isn't on the fast track to far supplant the weakly backed powers that have far greater CWS wins and lore in say Miami, Ok St, Wichita St, USCw, UCLA, ASU, Az, CSF, FSU, etc..some of which are sorta dinosaurs in this modern era, or are becoming such in weak and/or disinterested fan followed conferences..
But, there is no way even with Tanner's retirement, off two CWS titles, and some other close calls in Omaha, playing in maybe the best overall/beautiful college park(at least until MSU's new Dudy arrives)..
No way I rate ATM over USCe, as skins on the wall have to count for something, even conceding Tejas in-state talent to recruit from. As the Atlantic coast and Carolinas have great kids too, just that UVa's & UNC's rise, also longterm Clemson's usual regular season successes, have I'm sure helped to spread the area's talent pool around some, despite all recruiting nationally.
Now, if Kendall made those rankings projecting upon the future's next 10 year plus potential, I may see it. But, as of now, TAM in the 6-10 slot somewhere.
If the 1989 Knoblauch 58 win team would've went onto CWS glory instead of LSU winning those last two games and going to Omaha, things could rate far differently..
Titles matter even if you fade back to obscurity, or have limited fandom. That's why Miami remains great even playing to a high school crowd. Or why ASU and Az or USCw or Oreg St or UCLA or CSF, with those natty title years on the flags or outfield walls..matter despite the PAC's limited exposure outside the left coast in the modern era of NCAA baseball.
Also, will TAM's recent rise sustain, when Garrido's replacement, and eventually Graham's at Rice, get in and build up their own brands? The competition will increase in-state.
But, there is no way even with Tanner's retirement, off two CWS titles, and some other close calls in Omaha, playing in maybe the best overall/beautiful college park(at least until MSU's new Dudy arrives)..
No way I rate ATM over USCe, as skins on the wall have to count for something, even conceding Tejas in-state talent to recruit from. As the Atlantic coast and Carolinas have great kids too, just that UVa's & UNC's rise, also longterm Clemson's usual regular season successes, have I'm sure helped to spread the area's talent pool around some, despite all recruiting nationally.
Now, if Kendall made those rankings projecting upon the future's next 10 year plus potential, I may see it. But, as of now, TAM in the 6-10 slot somewhere.
If the 1989 Knoblauch 58 win team would've went onto CWS glory instead of LSU winning those last two games and going to Omaha, things could rate far differently..
Titles matter even if you fade back to obscurity, or have limited fandom. That's why Miami remains great even playing to a high school crowd. Or why ASU and Az or USCw or Oreg St or UCLA or CSF, with those natty title years on the flags or outfield walls..matter despite the PAC's limited exposure outside the left coast in the modern era of NCAA baseball.
Also, will TAM's recent rise sustain, when Garrido's replacement, and eventually Graham's at Rice, get in and build up their own brands? The competition will increase in-state.
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 12:54 am
Posted on 6/1/16 at 12:28 am to TigerOnTheMountain
n/m
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 1:19 am
Posted on 6/1/16 at 12:32 am to Farmer1906
Well I certainly wouldn't put TAMU above South Carolina. Was he talking about booster money or coach's salary? They recently upgraded their baseball facilities but it wasn't considered top level beforehand and I haven't seen anyone consider it the best facility now, like I've seen said about Founder's Park over the years.
If it's true, then perhaps Childress needs to be fired as an under-achiever. Maybe by "best job", Rogers meant a high-paying job in a major conference where your team does little on the national level. Only one 50+ win season in 10 yrs as HC, and only one CWS appearance (where they lost to USC).
Texas is supposed to be brimming over with prep talent, but USC has regularly out-recruited TAMU over the years, and won the bigger games, going back to the 1970s.
So this ranking must be taking into account metrics other than facilities, fanbase passion, tradition, success at the elite levels, talent of the roster. What else is there?
If it's true, then perhaps Childress needs to be fired as an under-achiever. Maybe by "best job", Rogers meant a high-paying job in a major conference where your team does little on the national level. Only one 50+ win season in 10 yrs as HC, and only one CWS appearance (where they lost to USC).
Texas is supposed to be brimming over with prep talent, but USC has regularly out-recruited TAMU over the years, and won the bigger games, going back to the 1970s.
So this ranking must be taking into account metrics other than facilities, fanbase passion, tradition, success at the elite levels, talent of the roster. What else is there?
Posted on 6/1/16 at 12:38 am to Farmer1906
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The best historical programs do no equal the best jobs. I feel like most of you are having trouble telling the difference. Does anyone consider UT a great football job? Of course not. Their recent hires prove it with Dooley, Jones, and Kiffin.
What is the criteria for Best Job in College Baseball?
The only colleges who spend a lot of money baseball is Texas and LSU.
If its Coaches Salary
A&M, Florida, and Vandy are actually on the low side of the SEC
I'm not sure how much facilities even matter in college baseball.
Fan Support??? Miss State and Ole Miss have a lot of support but I would not call them top tier baseball jobs.
Historical Success... IDK programs who do well in baseball just seem to support baseball more than the average school.
Recruiting Grounds... Even this is murky with the amount of players going straight to the MLB and limited baseball scholarships.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 12:50 am to geauxnavybeatbama
quote:If "history" only includes Wayne Graham's coaching career, maybe.
Rice and UNC are historically better than A&M in baseball. Y'all seem to be coming on strong though.
Rice had never been to the NCAA tournament before 1995, and currently holds a .548 overall winning percentage. A&M has 30+ postseason appearances and .634 overall. UNC's numbers are comparable to A&M's.
Nice troll, though.
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 12:52 am
Posted on 6/1/16 at 1:00 am to Farmer1906
To be honest, i wouldn't rank LSU as a top five destination in any sport as long as F. King is in office.
The money won't be spent (despite being private) on athletics the way it was in the past decade.
The money won't be spent (despite being private) on athletics the way it was in the past decade.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 1:04 am to SchizoAg
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If "history" only includes Wayne Graham's coaching career, maybe.
Well Vanderbilt is only on there because of a single coach so yeah "history" by this measure can be just that.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 1:15 am to TheCheshireHog
Not really. If you say a program is "historically" good, then clearly you mean over a long period of time. If Iowa State won the next five CFB national championships, that would put them in the top echelon of programs for all time NCs, but you still wouldn't say they were "historically" good. They were "historically" pretty bad.
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 1:18 am
Posted on 6/1/16 at 1:21 am to The Boat
LSU being #1 is not surprising.
I have no clue why aggy is top 5 tbh.
But whatever
I have no clue why aggy is top 5 tbh.
But whatever
Posted on 6/1/16 at 1:24 am to Socratics
Agree on Texas spending a lot of money. But LSU is pretty far behind them. $1,072,000 versus $750k. Of course this is base pay but based on known bonuses they all look to be around the same max values amongst the typical leaders in the sport. Garrido was getting a base pay increase of 50k every year.
I expect that to equal out with their new hire though.
Mainieri is getting paid the same amount he was in 2013. Cohen was 2nd in the SEC at $632k but that was before he went on the run to lose in the National Championship.
Can't argue Texas is definitely #1, and LSU is definitely #2. I don't really see how State is all the way down at 8-11. Top 5 Salary, historical success that eases the road on recruiting, record attendance, and without the pressure of following up a National Championship winning coach makes it seem like a pretty damn good job to me.
I expect that to equal out with their new hire though.
Mainieri is getting paid the same amount he was in 2013. Cohen was 2nd in the SEC at $632k but that was before he went on the run to lose in the National Championship.
Can't argue Texas is definitely #1, and LSU is definitely #2. I don't really see how State is all the way down at 8-11. Top 5 Salary, historical success that eases the road on recruiting, record attendance, and without the pressure of following up a National Championship winning coach makes it seem like a pretty damn good job to me.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 1:34 am to aerodawg
There is no reason any program is above LSU.
It's not even a homer thing. It just is a fact. LSU doesn't frick around with baseball.
Log jamming is a fricking idiot btw.
Also, the idiot mizzou/Iowa/Nebraska fan has LSU outside the top 5? Lmao
It's not even a homer thing. It just is a fact. LSU doesn't frick around with baseball.
Log jamming is a fricking idiot btw.
Also, the idiot mizzou/Iowa/Nebraska fan has LSU outside the top 5? Lmao
Posted on 6/1/16 at 1:43 am to Wild Thang
texas is a big fish in a small pond, lsu has stout competition.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 1:59 am to Uncle Gunnysack
We recruit national.
Anyone who says LSU isn't the best job in baseball is an idiot pure and simple.
That's just the fact. Doesn't mean others arent great. I guess I should post my top 5
LSU
Texas
UNC/South Carolina/Clemson/Miami
FSU/LBS/Vandy/Florida/Cal State
ASU
Could switch out some depending.
Anyone who says LSU isn't the best job in baseball is an idiot pure and simple.
That's just the fact. Doesn't mean others arent great. I guess I should post my top 5
LSU
Texas
UNC/South Carolina/Clemson/Miami
FSU/LBS/Vandy/Florida/Cal State
ASU
Could switch out some depending.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 5:40 am to Wild Thang
A&M is definitely in the top 20 and possibly in the top 10 now that they are in the SEC and have updated the facilities.
I think there is some "regency bias" in this analysis. Just because A&M is having a good season doesn't mean it's top 5.
I think LSU's ability to award more scholarships via TOPs makes them #1. Vandy is #2 because of what they have been able to leverage to get kids in to school. I would round it out with Miami, UF, and USC.
I could buy A&M, tu, and TCU in the next tier with MSU. Definitely waiting for recruiting to improve at A&M.
I think there is some "regency bias" in this analysis. Just because A&M is having a good season doesn't mean it's top 5.
I think LSU's ability to award more scholarships via TOPs makes them #1. Vandy is #2 because of what they have been able to leverage to get kids in to school. I would round it out with Miami, UF, and USC.
I could buy A&M, tu, and TCU in the next tier with MSU. Definitely waiting for recruiting to improve at A&M.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 6:02 am to Farmer1906
Lol. Definitely not saying MSU should be there, but why in the frick is Aggie up there? I swear Rodgers eats his boogers.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 6:15 am to Farmer1906
I wouldn't put us over South Carolina, I think top 10 is fair though
Posted on 6/1/16 at 6:32 am to Wild Thang
Historically speaking, USC absolutely crushes LSU (and everyone else), which only came into prominence in the 90's. They have twice the national titles that LSU does.
California, traditionally, owns in baseball. USC, Cal State Fullerton, Pepperdine, Stanford, Fresno State, Cal, UCLA -- have all won national titles. Many of them have won multiple titles.
And in the Top 10 for most CWS wins, LSU comes in at number 8.
Of course, a lot of that has to do with the weather and the fact it can be played year-round in California. And LSU can certainly crow about being a baseball school, unlike MSU -- which has never won jack squat. Conference titles don't mean diddly; it's all about Omaha.
I actually went to CSUF when they won the title in 1995. Saw Mark Kotsay play -- he was one of the best collegiate baseball players I've ever seen.
California, traditionally, owns in baseball. USC, Cal State Fullerton, Pepperdine, Stanford, Fresno State, Cal, UCLA -- have all won national titles. Many of them have won multiple titles.
And in the Top 10 for most CWS wins, LSU comes in at number 8.
Of course, a lot of that has to do with the weather and the fact it can be played year-round in California. And LSU can certainly crow about being a baseball school, unlike MSU -- which has never won jack squat. Conference titles don't mean diddly; it's all about Omaha.
I actually went to CSUF when they won the title in 1995. Saw Mark Kotsay play -- he was one of the best collegiate baseball players I've ever seen.
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