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Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:34 am to Supravol22
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:34 am to Supravol22
I disagree with the chart, but it is humorous... and I think it opens up a debate that is healthy for the church. Here's the thing....
The modern day church is so focused on sin, and its actually contrary to the true gospel. The true gospel should never lead to conversations among believers about sin, doing right, not doing wrong, etc.
Jesus died on the cross to take care of everyone's sins (Romans 6:10). It clearly says in scripture that once we are in Christ, God remembers our sins no more (Hebrews 8:12). He cast our sins as far as the east is from the west (Psalm 103:12). And lastly, God is no longer counting our sins against us (2 Cor. 5:19). All because of Jesus' sacrifice!! That is how much he loves us!
I do not understand Christians who portray our God as a judgmental God who is tracking our good deeds and bad deeds... Many people falsely believe that God will punish us for bad behavior. But this is in direct contradiction to the word of God. Jesus took all of our punishment so that we could have his righteousness!
Being "righteous" is sort of like being pregnant. You can't be partly righteous, just as you can't be partly pregnant. You are either righteous, or you are not. Righteousness basically means "right standing" with God. And God clearly states that if we believe on Jesus, through faith (Romans 3:22), we have the righteousness of Christ (2 Cor. 5:21).
How can God punish the righteous? He sees us as perfect because we are covered in the blood.
This was all foreshadowed in the book of Exodus. When God sent the death angel to kill the first born sons, he passed over all those who had blood smeared on the door. It didn't say he examined if they were good people who went to church, tithed, adhered from sin, etc. If they were covered in the blood, they were saved.
Now as believers we are covered in the blood. We have the righteousness of Christ, and that is what God sees when he sees us.
So if God is not focused on our sins, why should we be so focused on sin? The truth is, the more focus we put on NOT doing something, we are actually more likely to do it. The more we focus on Jesus, the more likely our flesh will live like Jesus on this earth.
So that brings us back to the chart...
The Bible teaches us in Leviticus, and Genesis, that God clearly does not think homosexuality is a healthy lifestyle. We know this because it displeased God.... and you are correct, God also felt eating bacon was probably not a good thing. And guess what? Few doctors would say to their patients, "You need to add more bacon to your diet."
I disagree with homosexuality, because I do not think it is a healthy lifestyle. I do not think it is healthy for society or for a family.
But know this: Homosexuality is not a disqualifier to receive the love of Jesus and his righteousness. It is absolutely possible for homosexuals to be Christians. But I believe as they focus on Jesus and receive his grace and goodness, that desire for an unhealthy lifestyle will fade away. God will deal with it in his own way, and it is not in a wrathful way. He will lovingly change that person's heart and desires.
It's not our job as a church to tell people how to behave. We are to point them to Jesus and his love and let God handle everything else.
The modern day church is so focused on sin, and its actually contrary to the true gospel. The true gospel should never lead to conversations among believers about sin, doing right, not doing wrong, etc.
Jesus died on the cross to take care of everyone's sins (Romans 6:10). It clearly says in scripture that once we are in Christ, God remembers our sins no more (Hebrews 8:12). He cast our sins as far as the east is from the west (Psalm 103:12). And lastly, God is no longer counting our sins against us (2 Cor. 5:19). All because of Jesus' sacrifice!! That is how much he loves us!
I do not understand Christians who portray our God as a judgmental God who is tracking our good deeds and bad deeds... Many people falsely believe that God will punish us for bad behavior. But this is in direct contradiction to the word of God. Jesus took all of our punishment so that we could have his righteousness!
Being "righteous" is sort of like being pregnant. You can't be partly righteous, just as you can't be partly pregnant. You are either righteous, or you are not. Righteousness basically means "right standing" with God. And God clearly states that if we believe on Jesus, through faith (Romans 3:22), we have the righteousness of Christ (2 Cor. 5:21).
How can God punish the righteous? He sees us as perfect because we are covered in the blood.
This was all foreshadowed in the book of Exodus. When God sent the death angel to kill the first born sons, he passed over all those who had blood smeared on the door. It didn't say he examined if they were good people who went to church, tithed, adhered from sin, etc. If they were covered in the blood, they were saved.
Now as believers we are covered in the blood. We have the righteousness of Christ, and that is what God sees when he sees us.
So if God is not focused on our sins, why should we be so focused on sin? The truth is, the more focus we put on NOT doing something, we are actually more likely to do it. The more we focus on Jesus, the more likely our flesh will live like Jesus on this earth.
So that brings us back to the chart...
The Bible teaches us in Leviticus, and Genesis, that God clearly does not think homosexuality is a healthy lifestyle. We know this because it displeased God.... and you are correct, God also felt eating bacon was probably not a good thing. And guess what? Few doctors would say to their patients, "You need to add more bacon to your diet."
I disagree with homosexuality, because I do not think it is a healthy lifestyle. I do not think it is healthy for society or for a family.
But know this: Homosexuality is not a disqualifier to receive the love of Jesus and his righteousness. It is absolutely possible for homosexuals to be Christians. But I believe as they focus on Jesus and receive his grace and goodness, that desire for an unhealthy lifestyle will fade away. God will deal with it in his own way, and it is not in a wrathful way. He will lovingly change that person's heart and desires.
It's not our job as a church to tell people how to behave. We are to point them to Jesus and his love and let God handle everything else.
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:39 am to BHMKyle
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Jesus died on the cross to take care of everyone's sins (Romans 6:10). It clearly says in scripture that once we are in Christ, God remembers our sins no more (Hebrews 8:12). He cast our sins as far as the east is from the west (Psalm 103:12). And lastly, God is no longer counting our sins against us (2 Cor. 5:19). All because of Jesus' sacrifice!! That is how much he loves us!
I do not understand Christians who portray our God as a judgmental God who is tracking our good deeds and bad deeds... Many people falsely believe that God will punish us for bad behavior. But this is in direct contradiction to the word of God. Jesus took all of our punishment so that we could have his righteousness!
Being "righteous" is sort of like being pregnant. You can't be partly righteous, just as you can't be partly pregnant. You are either righteous, or you are not. Righteousness basically means "right standing" with God. And God clearly states that if we believe on Jesus, through faith (Romans 3:22), we have the righteousness of Christ (2 Cor. 5:21).
How can God punish the righteous? He sees us as perfect because we are covered in the blood.
This is literally the end of this thread.
You accept Jesus Christ and you try to live your life the best that you can. The sins you commit are already forgiven.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 4:06 pm to BHMKyle
quote:Best post I have ever read on TD! Bravo sir!
I disagree with the chart, but it is humorous... and I think it opens up a debate that is healthy for the church. Here's the thing....
The modern day church is so focused on sin, and its actually contrary to the true gospel. The true gospel should never lead to conversations among believers about sin, doing right, not doing wrong, etc.
Jesus died on the cross to take care of everyone's sins (Romans 6:10). It clearly says in scripture that once we are in Christ, God remembers our sins no more (Hebrews 8:12). He cast our sins as far as the east is from the west (Psalm 103:12). And lastly, God is no longer counting our sins against us (2 Cor. 5:19). All because of Jesus' sacrifice!! That is how much he loves us!
I do not understand Christians who portray our God as a judgmental God who is tracking our good deeds and bad deeds... Many people falsely believe that God will punish us for bad behavior. But this is in direct contradiction to the word of God. Jesus took all of our punishment so that we could have his righteousness!
Being "righteous" is sort of like being pregnant. You can't be partly righteous, just as you can't be partly pregnant. You are either righteous, or you are not. Righteousness basically means "right standing" with God. And God clearly states that if we believe on Jesus, through faith (Romans 3:22), we have the righteousness of Christ (2 Cor. 5:21).
How can God punish the righteous? He sees us as perfect because we are covered in the blood.
This was all foreshadowed in the book of Exodus. When God sent the death angel to kill the first born sons, he passed over all those who had blood smeared on the door. It didn't say he examined if they were good people who went to church, tithed, adhered from sin, etc. If they were covered in the blood, they were saved.
Now as believers we are covered in the blood. We have the righteousness of Christ, and that is what God sees when he sees us.
So if God is not focused on our sins, why should we be so focused on sin? The truth is, the more focus we put on NOT doing something, we are actually more likely to do it. The more we focus on Jesus, the more likely our flesh will live like Jesus on this earth.
So that brings us back to the chart...
The Bible teaches us in Leviticus, and Genesis, that God clearly does not think homosexuality is a healthy lifestyle. We know this because it displeased God.... and you are correct, God also felt eating bacon was probably not a good thing. And guess what? Few doctors would say to their patients, "You need to add more bacon to your diet."
I disagree with homosexuality, because I do not think it is a healthy lifestyle. I do not think it is healthy for society or for a family.
But know this: Homosexuality is not a disqualifier to receive the love of Jesus and his righteousness. It is absolutely possible for homosexuals to be Christians. But I believe as they focus on Jesus and receive his grace and goodness, that desire for an unhealthy lifestyle will fade away. God will deal with it in his own way, and it is not in a wrathful way. He will lovingly change that person's heart and desires.
It's not our job as a church to tell people how to behave. We are to point them to Jesus and his love and let God handle everything else.
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