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re: Alabama in top 3 sports

Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:23 pm to
Posted by BHMKyle
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:23 pm to
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When have we claimed to be successful in basketball or baseball?


Go look at post #2 in this very thread... the one I responded to. It trumpeted Bama's position in all-time SEC wins as if that has anything to do with basketball success. First of all, by counting only SEC wins it disqualifies programs like Arkansas and Missouri from the discussion... two programs that are far more successful than Alabama. Secondly, that argument values something that frankly is just not very important.

If Team A has 24 wins but doesn't make the NCAA Tournament... but Team B has 18 wins and makes the NCAA tournament, everyone regards Team B as having the better season. Wins without NCAA tournament play are pretty much worthless.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:28 pm to
I think that when you account for postseason success, historical regular season success, etc Alabama falls into these areas

Football - #1
Basketball - #5-8 (behind Kentucky, Florida, Arkansas, LSU; in a grouping with Tennessee, Missouri)
Baseball - #4-8 (behind Florida, LSU, South Carolina; in a grouping with Arkansas, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, Ole Miss)

We have been historically competitive, upper echelon in the SEC programs in basketball and baseball. We have come up just short on lots and lots of occasions in both sports which limit us from being included in the 1st tier in both.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 12:30 pm
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:29 pm to
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First of all, by counting only SEC wins it disqualifies programs like Arkansas and Missouri from the discussion... two programs that are far more successful than Alabama. Secondly, that argument values something that frankly is just not very important.



Who said it counted only SEC wins? We rank about 33rd nationally in all time wins. All time overall wins. The only two SEC teams ahead of Alabama are Arkansas and Kentucky. It wasn't until last year that Arkansas surpassed Alabama, and still is currently only sitting with about 5 more wins all time.

Educate yourself.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 12:31 pm
Posted by iglass
North Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:08 pm to
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If Team A has 24 wins but doesn't make the NCAA Tournament... but Team B has 18 wins and makes the NCAA tournament, everyone regards Team B as having the better season. Wins without NCAA tournament play are pretty much worthless.


Historically, this is a fallacious argument. Particularly up until the mid 70's when the NCAA Tournament only took two teams from each conference. In addition, there was a time when the NIT was more prestigious than the NCAA tournament. I can remember 20 win years in the days when seasons were 24-27 games... and we still didn't go to the tournament.

Those were different days then - when I was growing up, my family doctor averaged about 28/gm for Mississippi St and was drafted by the Celtics. He turned the Celtics down to go to medical school, because he would make more money. This was back in the 1950's.

You are correct in that championships ultimately define a program. But... wins get you to championships. If championships are the end, the goal to get there is to win - and iIn that regard, over time, Alabama has done pretty well - particularly in the SEC. Alabama's record against Kentucky is pretty dismal (but then again, whose isn't?) and is only one loss down to Arkansas. Against everyone else, we own the head-to-head records.

I do think that one cold argue with the historical record of success, Alabama has underachieved in the post season despite a significant overall winning record in both tournaments.

Nonetheless, I think Alabama is headed in the right direction after a few years of stagnation under Grant and Gottfried. Both had winning records but the excitement was gone that many fans remember under Wimp Sanderson. Avery Johnson is certainly bringing back an immense level of enthusiasm.

Anyway, just my two cents worth.
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