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re: Who is the better Coach? OBC or Saban. UT school of journalism article
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:21 pm to bbvdd
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:21 pm to bbvdd
What Spurrier did at South Carolina was hardly miraculous. He took a program that was already improved under Holtz and took it to the next level, but no championships. People tend to think of the team Spurrier too over as historical South Carolina, but it wasn't THAT bad. Holtz had built it up to at least mediocre.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:21 pm to bbvdd
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Saban has only been able to build on the more-than-solid foundations laid by Bear Bryant and Gene Stallings at Alabama.
They forgetting what he did at LSU?
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:23 pm to CockInYourEar
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to attempt what Spurrier did
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South Carolina fan
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:24 pm to bbvdd
SOS lost to Dubose twice in one season. The last one was for an SEC Title.
SOS can't touch CNS.
SOS can't touch CNS.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:30 pm to bbvdd
I really like Spurrier...but the answer is Saban and it isn't a close call. Saban has had more success against far tougher competition.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:33 pm to bbvdd
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His offensive brilliance turned a formerly-mediocre team like South Carolina into a contender
One SEC East title in 10 years
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:39 pm to bbvdd
The old ball coach transform the defense at South Carolina more than he did the offense. No his Florida offense was something that the SEC hasn't seen before in them days
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:47 pm to bbvdd
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more-than-solid foundations laid by Bear Bryant and Gene Stallings at Alabama
I forgot Stallings retired in 2006.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:51 pm to LSUTrojan
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I really like Spurrier...but the answer is Saban and it isn't a close call. Saban has had more success against far tougher competition.
Which is more likely? Saban could have coached at Kentucky and led them to 3 straight top ten finishes and 11 win seasons, or Spurrier could have coached at LSU and won a few titles?
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:51 pm to CockInYourEar
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Saban needs a school to have past history to be currently successful
So that makes a job easier somehow? You're basically saying Minnesota is an easier place to win at than South Carolina
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:57 pm to bbvdd
While I understand the point that Saban hasn't built a program the same way Spurrier did (at Florida especially), the Alabama program wasn't really in great shape when he was hired.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:02 pm to Ol'DirtyCam
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He will be missed as a great coach and personality. Hopefully he finds a good TV gig.
Actually, he is still employed by USC. He accepted the 'ambassador' position that was written into his contract as an option should he decide he wanted to stay on at Carolina, but in a different capacity.
This is a little of what was covered by the AP on 2/8/16:
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COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — Steve Spurrier has a new role at South Carolina — special assistant to President Harris Pastides and Athletic Director Ray Tanner.
Spurrier resigned as football coach last October. He had a contract clause that allowed him to assume such a role if he wanted. Tanner said Spurrier recently accepted the position and has met with donors and boosters at a few basketball games this season.
As to the Saban/HBC debate and looking at it in a completely objective manner, I'd have to say Saban.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:04 pm to bbvdd
The Journalism class at UTK should worry about more important things
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:10 pm to KingSlayer
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Which is more likely? Saban could have coached at Kentucky and led them to 3 straight top ten finishes and 11 win seasons, or Spurrier could have coached at LSU and won a few titles?
I'm not sure about Kentucky, but I think Saban could have led South Carolina to 3 straight top ten finishes and 11 wins seasons, particularly if they had won 9 games and been ranked as high as 10th the year before he arrived. More importantly, I think he would have built a more consistent winning program in the following years.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:13 pm to bbvdd
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:14 pm to bbvdd
I mean Saban won NCs at two different schools and revived both of them so...................
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:20 pm to SwayzeBalla
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The Journalism class at UTK should worry about more important things
Why? The point of the exercise is to practice effective debate skills, regardless of the position assigned, not to solve some real issue. That part is supposed to come when they get a job.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 3:29 pm to LSUTrojan
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I'm not sure about Kentucky, but I think Saban could have led South Carolina to 3 straight top ten finishes and 11 wins seasons, particularly if they had won 9 games and been ranked as high as 10th the year before he arrived.
The year before Spurrier arrived we finished 6-5, the two prior years to that we were 5-7 and 5-7. So not really sure what you are talking about.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 3:44 pm to bbvdd
Spurrier and it's not really a debate for me. It's easy to win when you go to schools that rake in the best of the best year after year. Recruiting is a major advantage in college football. Obviously Saban is an excellent coach he's just not better than spurrier at developing players.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 3:50 pm to bbvdd
This is just a false dichotomy. Saban's career trajectory isn't the same as Spurriers, and since the question implicitly requires that we analyze them in direct correlation (because if we analyze hardware, Saban beats Spurrier like a rented mule,) there's no way to reach a reasonable consensus.
I do wonder at how much someone saying Saban built on Stallings actually knows about CFB. A dozen years, three different coaches and absolutely cripping sanctions separate the two regimes. It's like saying Spurrier built on Doug Dickey's work at UF. (One could easily say he built on Galen Hall, though, who really is one of the more underrated/lesser-known coaches in SEC history.)
I do wonder at how much someone saying Saban built on Stallings actually knows about CFB. A dozen years, three different coaches and absolutely cripping sanctions separate the two regimes. It's like saying Spurrier built on Doug Dickey's work at UF. (One could easily say he built on Galen Hall, though, who really is one of the more underrated/lesser-known coaches in SEC history.)
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