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Posted on 2/23/16 at 6:10 pm to
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 2/23/16 at 6:10 pm to
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I'm not so sure it is the coaching staff's fault.



Sure it is. They sign and recruit the kid.

I mean I get what you are saying, but at some level it is the coach's job balancing taking 5 star sloppy seconds and having a cohesive team. Teams like Arkansas and Michigan St. find a way to beat people without having to deal with entitled five stars. Locker room chemistry matters, even if we can't pick through kids like Nick does.

Sumlin has been playing the numbers game since day one, taking risky but highly regarded recruits to try and create a momentum around the program. And for those efforts we had a 2012 class (including Trey Will) that for the most part was a disaster to our depth, and a five star legacy that almost tore apart the program because of his entitlement. The 2014 class was great because of JFF and not because we signed risks in 2012.

Is it hard to know what sloppy seconds five stars are worth it and which ones aren't? Sure, I couldn't do it. But I don't get paid five million a year to try.

My main criticism with Sumlin is that he has been TOO focused on building a narrative, building hype, and not focused enough on building a team of players that fit together. Knowing how he has changed his recruiting he might agree, and I think going forward he will look for different traits out of players. But it might be too little too late if we can't get some production out of the roster full of sloppy seconds that we do have.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80817 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 6:33 pm to
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And for those efforts we had a 2012 class (including Trey Will) that for the most part was a disaster to our depth


Don't you mean 2013?

Out of the 18 enrollees from the 2012 class:

5 were multi-year starters
2 were starters for at least a year
2 were quality depth

50% isn't a great hit rate, but it's not nearly the disaster that the 2013 class was.
Posted by NanosTacoRun
Member since Jun 2015
3042 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 9:33 pm to
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But it might be too little too late if we can't get some production out of the roster full of sloppy seconds that we do have.

Lol we don't have a roster of sloppy seconds. At some key positions? Yes. Depth wise? Yes. But we have a pretty talented starting 22.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 2/24/16 at 7:59 am to
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Sure it is. They sign and recruit the kid.


But they're compelled to take 5* risks because of how cutthroat their industry is. They have to show results immediately. In other industries, like insurance, you can carefully avoid adverse selection by forgoing immediate top-line results for a more stable base and better bottom-line a decade later. Coaches of teams like A&M don't have that luxury, so they have to be gamblers.
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