OT: Watching 'Making a Murderer'

What episode are you before i explain things. I dont want to ruin it.

It seems most likely that Teresa was murdered because the cops needed a corpse that they could use to frame Avery a second time to avoid ruinous personal liability in a lawsuit for framing Avery the first time.

It worked. Teresa Halbach and Brendan Dassey were just collateral damage.

Avery’s lawyers, as good as they were, were afraid to draw the only logical conclusion.

I’m through episode 4. I am as pro-law enforcement as there is, but something is off big time. I watched the interrogation of the 16-year old nephew, where the court appointed attorney forced him to meet with the private investigators and coerced him to make up a story. The kid can’t even define “inconsistent” and has lower than normal IQ. I’m not saying that Avery is innocent, but I’m 100% certain the nephew is being used a tool to prove conviction. Makes me sick

Haven't seen it but have heard more than a few sources say that there are a number of facts that were conveniently left out.

Just because it says "documentary" don't assume it's unbiased and contains all of the pertinent info.

Lots of things didn't make sense. Dassey's trial was based off his coerced confession of the killing in the bedroom and Avery was accused of killing her in the garage. The recording of the cop calling in Teresa's tag two days before the car was found and his expression when it was played. On top of that , I find it hard to believe he was smart/careful enough to remove all traces of Teresa from his house but he was too stupid to crush the car.

Holy shite... I suppose a sincere 'thank you' and a corresponding 'frick you' are both in order.

Well worth watching. Very well done documentary. The story is just so unbelievable that you can't help but get sucked in. Very realistic, if underwhelming ending. The wheels of justice are rusty as hell.

My take is similar to a few people here. I cannot say that I know with any degree of certainty that Steven Avery is innocent. Definitely seems to be some wonky underlying things, particularly given some of the left out information. What I can say, however, is that I can't see how any human being with an IQ of 60 or 140 could have convicted him as guilty given the prosecution's case relative to the defense that was put up.

His attorneys were amazing, even given the severe handicapping that seemed to have been imposed by the judge.

The calling in of Teresa's license plate and confirming make and model makes no sense to me. I can't envision a scenario where that's possible without looking at the car after she's gone missing.

The key is ridiculous. Takes them 4+ months to find it in a location that they've searched multiple times, and somehow it magically falls from behind a cabinet to land under slippers. Rather than, uh, finger print it first, they decide to run DNA. And a key that has been owned by Teresa for some time has exactly zero amount of additional trace evidence, including no DNA of her own, but magically has Avery's DNA on it.

The blood in the back of the RAV4 only makes sense in the context of Avery killing her, moving the body to another location to destroy it, then returning both the car and the incinerated body back to his property. Even at a 70 IQ, I don't think you make that leap.

The fire. It is not possible to burn a body to the degree that Teresa's body was in an open bonfire, short of keeping it going for nearly a full day. Top that off with the initial testimony that the fire was only 3 feet high (followed up by the 11 foot claim later in court).

Not to even mention the absolute lack of sufficient evidence to indicate that a murder occurred there. Even if I assume that Avery is a fricking mastermind, that place would have been a freaking nightmare to try and sanitize. It's quite literally a dump, both inside and out. In testing the concrete where they presume the murder occurred (even though that conflicts with the clearly bogus testimony by Brendan) they can't find any of Teresa's DNA, but they find Avery's. Bleach and/or ammonia both would have shown up in their tests if done correctly assuming he "cleaned up the scene".

Overall, far too much to say there is *no doubt* that he's guilty... Brendan got shafted even harder, as it's clear that kid was barely fit to stand trial, let alone give a confession. Fruit from the poisoned tree allowed in, but no appeal granted... Would be interesting to see some kind of proof that the mother was actually invited to the interrogation, as I found that interesting that she made the claim that she was refused access.

Moral of the story. Stay the frick out of Wisconsin. Also, don't piss off the po po... anywhere.