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re: How does Bama's current run compare to other dynasties in their prime?
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:21 pm to FourThreeForty
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:21 pm to FourThreeForty
Bama's current run is very strong. First off, here is what I would consider a "Dynasty"
#1 Must include at least 2 National Titles during the run
#2 Has to be at least 4 seasons in length
#3 Cannot include consecutive seasons ranked outside the Final AP Top 20
#4 Average Final Rank in AP Poll must be at least Top 10
#5 At least 50% of the seasons must include a Top 5 AP Finishs
#6 Overall winning percentage must be at least 82%
Using this criteria, there have been 5 dynasties during the modern era (1980-present). Here they are listed in chronological order:
MIAMI
Years: 1983-2003 (21 total)
National Titles: 5
Top 5 Finishes: 12 (57%)
Avg. AP Rank: #8.0
Total Record: 212-42-0 (83.5%)
**Produced 2 Heisman Trophy winners
FLORIDA STATE
Years: 1987-2000 (14 years)
National Titles: 2
Top 5 Finishes: 14 (100%)
Avg. AP Rank: #2.6
Total Record: 152-19-1 (88.7%)
*Produced 2 Heisman Trophy winners
USC
Years: 2002-2008 (7 years)
National Titles: 2
Top 5 Finishes: 7 (100%)
Avg. AP Rank: #4.3
Total Record: 68-9 (88.3%)
*Produced 3 Heisman Trophy winners (though Reggie Bush later vacated his)
FLORIDA
Years: 2006-2009 (4 years)
National Titles: 2
Top 5 Finishes: 3 (75%)
Avg. AP Rank: #4.5
Total Record: 48-7 (87.3%)
*Produced 1 Heisman Trophy winner
ALABAMA
Years: 2008-present (currently 8 years)
National Titles: 3
Top 5 Finishes: 4 or 5 (50-62.5% depending on this year)
Avg. AP Rank: #4.3
Total Record: 96-12 (88.9%)
*Produced 2 Heisman Trophy winners
***Ohio State only needs one more title in the coming years to be able to say they have been in a dynasty dating back to 2012.
In my opinion, Miami's dynasty is most impressive... simply because it spanned 2+ decades and claimed 5 National Titles.
The fact that Florida State finished in the AP Top 5 in 14 consecutive seasons is a feat that will likely never be equaled. I also think that makes that dynasty extra special.
If Bama were to lose in the playoff and sputter out over the next few seasons, I would say that the Saban dynasty would rank #3 in the modern era behind Miami's and Florida State's. To me, FSU's 14-consecutive seasons in the Top 5 + 2 MNCs would trump Bama's 3 MNC's in 9 years with just 4 Top 5 fnishes.
If Bama were to win the Title this season, then it would be a for-sure #2 best dynasty of the modern era, and they'd be well on their way to equaling Miami's impressive dynasty.
#1 Must include at least 2 National Titles during the run
#2 Has to be at least 4 seasons in length
#3 Cannot include consecutive seasons ranked outside the Final AP Top 20
#4 Average Final Rank in AP Poll must be at least Top 10
#5 At least 50% of the seasons must include a Top 5 AP Finishs
#6 Overall winning percentage must be at least 82%
Using this criteria, there have been 5 dynasties during the modern era (1980-present). Here they are listed in chronological order:
MIAMI
Years: 1983-2003 (21 total)
National Titles: 5
Top 5 Finishes: 12 (57%)
Avg. AP Rank: #8.0
Total Record: 212-42-0 (83.5%)
**Produced 2 Heisman Trophy winners
FLORIDA STATE
Years: 1987-2000 (14 years)
National Titles: 2
Top 5 Finishes: 14 (100%)
Avg. AP Rank: #2.6
Total Record: 152-19-1 (88.7%)
*Produced 2 Heisman Trophy winners
USC
Years: 2002-2008 (7 years)
National Titles: 2
Top 5 Finishes: 7 (100%)
Avg. AP Rank: #4.3
Total Record: 68-9 (88.3%)
*Produced 3 Heisman Trophy winners (though Reggie Bush later vacated his)
FLORIDA
Years: 2006-2009 (4 years)
National Titles: 2
Top 5 Finishes: 3 (75%)
Avg. AP Rank: #4.5
Total Record: 48-7 (87.3%)
*Produced 1 Heisman Trophy winner
ALABAMA
Years: 2008-present (currently 8 years)
National Titles: 3
Top 5 Finishes: 4 or 5 (50-62.5% depending on this year)
Avg. AP Rank: #4.3
Total Record: 96-12 (88.9%)
*Produced 2 Heisman Trophy winners
***Ohio State only needs one more title in the coming years to be able to say they have been in a dynasty dating back to 2012.
In my opinion, Miami's dynasty is most impressive... simply because it spanned 2+ decades and claimed 5 National Titles.
The fact that Florida State finished in the AP Top 5 in 14 consecutive seasons is a feat that will likely never be equaled. I also think that makes that dynasty extra special.
If Bama were to lose in the playoff and sputter out over the next few seasons, I would say that the Saban dynasty would rank #3 in the modern era behind Miami's and Florida State's. To me, FSU's 14-consecutive seasons in the Top 5 + 2 MNCs would trump Bama's 3 MNC's in 9 years with just 4 Top 5 fnishes.
If Bama were to win the Title this season, then it would be a for-sure #2 best dynasty of the modern era, and they'd be well on their way to equaling Miami's impressive dynasty.
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:28 pm to BHMKyle
I actually think Miami had two separate dynasties. I'd like to see their rankings during the 90's to early 2000s
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:30 pm to BHMKyle
This is a quality post. I'm flabbergasted someone around here actually took the time to carefully consider a question and provide an objective, data-supported answer. I am buying this man a virtual drink. 
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:32 pm to BHMKyle
quote:Miami's dynasty runs 20 freaking years even with major rebuilding in between? And Bama won a Natty in that period...against Miami. So, can our dynasty go back to '92? Or back to Bear? I don't see why not
If Bama were to win the Title this season, then it would be a for-sure #2 best dynasty of the modern era, and they'd be well on their way to equaling Miami's impressive dynasty.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 1:24 pm to BHMKyle
quote:
Must include at least 2 National Titles
I would up this to three for a true Dynasty.
quote:
Cannot include consecutive seasons ranked outside the Final AP Top 20
I also think this is too generous. Back to back years outside the top ten marks an end to a Dynasty, IMO.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 2:24 pm to BHMKyle
What about Nebraska 1969-2001 (33 years)?
339-62-4 (84.2% winning percentage)
33 consecutive top 20 finishes (lowest was 19th)
27 Top 10 finishes.
5 MNCs
339-62-4 (84.2% winning percentage)
33 consecutive top 20 finishes (lowest was 19th)
27 Top 10 finishes.
5 MNCs
Posted on 12/17/15 at 6:13 am to BHMKyle
quote:
#1Must include at least 2 National Titles during the run
#2 Has to be at least 4 seasons in length
#3 Cannot include consecutive seasons ranked outside the Final AP Top 20
#4 Average Final Rank in AP Poll must be at least Top 10
#5 At least 50% of the seasons must include a Top 5 AP Finishs
#6 Overall winning percentage must be at least 82%
All this BS over LSU/USC and no one stopped to mention that LSU was a dynasty as well:
LSU
Years: 2003-2007 (5 years)
National Titles: 2
Top 5 finishes: 4
Avg AP Rank: 5.2
Total Record: 56-10 (84.4%)
**4-1 Bowl record (3-0 BCS Bowls)
Print the shirts
Also, as impressive as Bama's run is, and it is that, one thing about it that has always seemed to fall a bit short of some of the other runs imo is their lack of a great win streak.
Isn't the longest streak under Saban like 17 games?
Look at all the other "dynasties" and they all have runs in the high 20s and even into the 30s without a loss, except Florida.
The ability to put together week after week of winning performances for extended periods of time with the target of every single team giving you their best shot is something truly special imo, and the one piece of the puzzle that keeps Bama from jumping Miami in the modern era imo and keeps USC right there with them.
Of course, if Bama continues this run for another 3-4 years after this, even if they continue dropping a game every year, it won't really matter, as the longevity will outshine the lack of a truly great undefeated streak imo.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 6:40 am
Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:40 pm to BHMKyle
Love the stats and the research. Very interesting.
For the sake of discussion, is it possible for three different programs to have dynasties over the same time period? Even though LSU, Florida and USC won multiple championships, was there one true leader?
How is Nebraska not a dynasty in mid 90s? 3 titles in 4 years and an appearance in the "championship game" the year before that.
In my opinion Bama's dynasty started in 2009. If we take it this year, 4 championships in 7 years is better than Miami's 5 in 20 years right? Even 3 in 7 is a better percentage.
Maybe it's a difference in semantics but to me dynasties are when you are on the very top, not when you finished ranked. My 2 cents.
For the sake of discussion, is it possible for three different programs to have dynasties over the same time period? Even though LSU, Florida and USC won multiple championships, was there one true leader?
How is Nebraska not a dynasty in mid 90s? 3 titles in 4 years and an appearance in the "championship game" the year before that.
In my opinion Bama's dynasty started in 2009. If we take it this year, 4 championships in 7 years is better than Miami's 5 in 20 years right? Even 3 in 7 is a better percentage.
Maybe it's a difference in semantics but to me dynasties are when you are on the very top, not when you finished ranked. My 2 cents.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 6:04 pm to BHMKyle
quote:
Bama's current run is very strong. First off, here is what I would consider a "Dynasty"
#1 Must include at least 2 National Titles during the run
#2 Has to be at least 4 seasons in length
#3 Cannot include consecutive seasons ranked outside the Final AP Top 20
#4 Average Final Rank in AP Poll must be at least Top 10
#5 At least 50% of the seasons must include a Top 5 AP Finishs
#6 Overall winning percentage must be at least 82%
Using this criteria, there have been 5 dynasties during the modern era (1980-present). Here they are listed in chronological order:
MIAMI
Years: 1983-2003 (21 total)
National Titles: 5
Top 5 Finishes: 12 (57%)
Avg. AP Rank: #8.0
Total Record: 212-42-0 (83.5%)
**Produced 2 Heisman Trophy winners
FLORIDA STATE
Years: 1987-2000 (14 years)
National Titles: 2
Top 5 Finishes: 14 (100%)
Avg. AP Rank: #2.6
Total Record: 152-19-1 (88.7%)
*Produced 2 Heisman Trophy winners
USC
Years: 2002-2008 (7 years)
National Titles: 2
Top 5 Finishes: 7 (100%)
Avg. AP Rank: #4.3
Total Record: 68-9 (88.3%)
*Produced 3 Heisman Trophy winners (though Reggie Bush later vacated his)
FLORIDA
Years: 2006-2009 (4 years)
National Titles: 2
Top 5 Finishes: 3 (75%)
Avg. AP Rank: #4.5
Total Record: 48-7 (87.3%)
*Produced 1 Heisman Trophy winner
ALABAMA
Years: 2008-present (currently 8 years)
National Titles: 3
Top 5 Finishes: 4 or 5 (50-62.5% depending on this year)
Avg. AP Rank: #4.3
Total Record: 96-12 (88.9%)
*Produced 2 Heisman Trophy winners
***Ohio State only needs one more title in the coming years to be able to say they have been in a dynasty dating back to 2012.
In my opinion, Miami's dynasty is most impressive... simply because it spanned 2+ decades and claimed 5 National Titles.
The fact that Florida State finished in the AP Top 5 in 14 consecutive seasons is a feat that will likely never be equaled. I also think that makes that dynasty extra special.
If Bama were to lose in the playoff and sputter out over the next few seasons, I would say that the Saban dynasty would rank #3 in the modern era behind Miami's and Florida State's. To me, FSU's 14-consecutive seasons in the Top 5 + 2 MNCs would trump Bama's 3 MNC's in 9 years with just 4 Top 5 fnishes.
If Bama were to win the Title this season, then it would be a for-sure #2 best dynasty of the modern era, and they'd be well on their way to equaling Miami's impressive dynasty
You missed Nebraska 1993-1997 (5 seasons)
National Titles: 3 (a missed FG from winning 3 straight; a missed 4th down stop from playing for 5 straight)
Top 5 finishes: 4
Average rank: 2.6
Posted on 12/17/15 at 6:14 pm to BHMKyle
Good post. Have an upvote.
While I don't agree with everything. It is nice to see a well thought out post that's not just something to stir shite.
While I don't agree with everything. It is nice to see a well thought out post that's not just something to stir shite.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 6:33 pm
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