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re: Ole Miss student senate votes to remove state flag.

Posted on 10/23/15 at 10:59 am to
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
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Posted on 10/23/15 at 10:59 am to
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I was talking about a total now you are talking about a specific state.

No, you were talking, I was actually quoting. There's a difference.

But yes, I quoted from one state's article, there are others:

In Georgia's very first paragraph it states:

The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.

In Georgia's article of secession, "slave"/"slavery" is mentioned 35 times.

South Carolina's, 18 times.

Here's what an Alabama politician said in a speech linked to earlier in the thread:

The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.

So maybe you disagree with all those other fellows I happen to agree with, but that is what THEY were saying AT THE TIME.

Were they saying other things? Yes. Ultimately what they were fighting for was their way of life. Their way of life, however was contingent on the enslavement of human beings, and the repression of the lower classes by restricting their God-given rights as recognized in the US Constitution. They wanted an aristocracy run with the firm hand of the state government.

So the Confederacy promoted states' rights, what about individual liberty? Where did they stand on that issue?
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 10/23/15 at 11:59 am to
The southern apologist/revisionist bullshite train is fricking astonishing when you stop and consider the actual causes of the war from the horse's mouth
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 10/23/15 at 2:28 pm to
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My opinions on the matter have changed over time, especially as I read more and more documents from the actual period.



Similar situation

and you really cant deny it after reading the state's DOCs and the other states responses to them

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Were they saying other things? Yes. Ultimately what they were fighting for was their way of life. Their way of life, however was contingent on the enslavement of human beings, and the repression of the lower classes by restricting their God-given rights as recognized in the US Constitution. They wanted an aristocracy run with the firm hand of the state government.

So the Confederacy promoted states' rights, what about individual liberty? Where did they stand on that issue?


The argument is almost akin to saying a hitman is just a business man, well...what damn business is he in?

FWIW, I am in full support for anyone who wants to use the confederate flag. We live in a free country and I support their rights. I believe the states should keep their original flags if their citizens vote so. Personally I dont really even generate an opinion if I saw you sporting it, unless there are several other aspects to add to it that would make me think differently. But I am also white,so I dont have the deep resentment some others may have. Just like a jew with the nazi flag

I was raised in the north, and despite what many in the south may believe they definitely teach that states rights were the main cause, but they dont leave out the main right/cause was slavery
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