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re: Ole Miss student senate votes to remove state flag.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 8:25 am to oneusairman
Posted on 10/23/15 at 8:25 am to oneusairman
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if someone is on your property and is armed. You ask them to leave and provide them safe passage back to there home and they refuse to leave. Who is the aggressor?
Jesus Christ. That was US soil. That fort had been there. The federal government was under no obligation to leave any southern post just because secessionists decided to go rogue.
YOU are the aggressor in this scenario. To suggest otherwise is poppycock and, frankly demonstrates a remarkably poor grasp of national sovereignty.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 8:43 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Jesus Christ. That was US soil. That fort had been there. The federal government was under no obligation to leave any southern post just because secessionists decided to go rogue.
Now your entering into a whole other debate in regards to if the states had a right to secede from the Union.
Both the Articles of Confederation, adopted in 1781, and the United States Constitution, ratified in 1789, established a union of sovereign states under the governance of a federal system. This union was widely understood by both the states and the federal government to be voluntary, and the Constitution was interpreted to reinforce this perspective. At the same time, the founding fathers, particularly Thomas Jefferson, recognized the states' right to secede. Although he did not advocate the exercise of that right, he acknowledged that the entitlement remained with the states and was a right that continued throughout the initial drafts of the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.
However, in 1869 after the Civil War The Supreme Court ruled states didn't have a right to secede from the Union. So did they have a right according to the original Articles of Confederation, the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence to secede? Obviously yes they did. That in itself is a heavily debated argument. However, lets simplify it. If Lincoln removed his troops from South Carolina and did not blockade ports due to succession there would not have been a war.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 10:06 am to TbirdSpur2010
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To suggest otherwise is poppycock and, frankly demonstrates a remarkably poor grasp of national sovereignty.
I think we're dealing with someone who lacks any sort of rational sanity.
What I find depressing about our irrational friend is that he is far from alone. I would simply dismiss him as a nut job if I didn't know of so many others like him.
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