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Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:44 am to WonderWartHawg
Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:44 am to WonderWartHawg
All in all, it seems that there is a lot more interest and work by the UofA towards to getting out of state students than in state ones. Especially from Little Rock south. And that's okay. They won't be surprised by the lack of interest from south Arkansas, they are smart enough to know what the dynamics are.
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Posted on 9/24/15 at 9:00 am to WonderWartHawg
but what you showed is the number of kids from Arkansas attending the UofA is down
was hoping for something backing up what you said about people in other parts of the state not being hog fans anymore.
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The HogHold on the fringe fans in the state is diminishing,
Not sure what you are calling 'fringe', but the UofA is losing, and has lost, a good portion of south, east and southwest and to some degree, northeast arkansas. And they know it and don't care. You can't really call the UofA a 'statewide' program anymore.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 9:21 am to hawgfaninc
It is what it is.
I am in south Arkansas, if you haven't already figured that out.
I talk to these people every day. I talk to them in the stands. There are rabid hog fans down here as well.
Just not universal 'everyone's a hog fan' anymore.
There is actually LSU merchandise in a lot of stores now. You didn't used to see that, would never dream of it.
We have one of the best high schools in the state, according to one published report (guess you will want a link to that too, I'll see if I can find.)
I often see college recruiters set up in the student lounge during lunch periods.
I have not noticed UofA represented.
There was a 'college night' at the high school a couple of nights ago. I will check to see if the UofA sent a representative. Maybe they did, maybe not. Will find out, but will not be surprised if they didn't.
I see more of our graduates going to ASU, when that was kind of rare just a few years ago.
One of the kids in our church is heading to OSU. Another younger one in our church is planning on the University of Oklahoma. One that just graduated that could have gotten a full ride just about anywhere picked Hendrix College.
What it boils down to is that there is not a 'oh, I want to go to the University of Arkansas!' attitude in my town, and probably not much in other towns from Little Rock south any more. It's not the 'holy grail'. The ones I know of in my church that went to Fayetteville recently, went because their parents went there.
Hey, like I said, I am a Hog fan. And I am just relaying what I see. It is what is.
I am in south Arkansas, if you haven't already figured that out.
I talk to these people every day. I talk to them in the stands. There are rabid hog fans down here as well.
Just not universal 'everyone's a hog fan' anymore.
There is actually LSU merchandise in a lot of stores now. You didn't used to see that, would never dream of it.
We have one of the best high schools in the state, according to one published report (guess you will want a link to that too, I'll see if I can find.)
I often see college recruiters set up in the student lounge during lunch periods.
I have not noticed UofA represented.
There was a 'college night' at the high school a couple of nights ago. I will check to see if the UofA sent a representative. Maybe they did, maybe not. Will find out, but will not be surprised if they didn't.
I see more of our graduates going to ASU, when that was kind of rare just a few years ago.
One of the kids in our church is heading to OSU. Another younger one in our church is planning on the University of Oklahoma. One that just graduated that could have gotten a full ride just about anywhere picked Hendrix College.
What it boils down to is that there is not a 'oh, I want to go to the University of Arkansas!' attitude in my town, and probably not much in other towns from Little Rock south any more. It's not the 'holy grail'. The ones I know of in my church that went to Fayetteville recently, went because their parents went there.
Hey, like I said, I am a Hog fan. And I am just relaying what I see. It is what is.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 9:30 am to WonderWartHawg
I get what you're saying and it wouldn't surprise me if your situation applies to a lot of towns around Arkansas.
Wish a group or someone would conduct a survey around the state to see what school people are a fan of.
Wish a group or someone would conduct a survey around the state to see what school people are a fan of.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 9:47 am to WonderWartHawg
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Just not universal 'everyone's a hog fan' anymore.
It could be that we are seeing the natural growth of growth of other Universities in the state. State, UCA, and the rest are decent enough schools and they tend to be cheaper and easier to get into. Plus, if you are from... say... Helena then driving to Conway seems less daunting then all the way up to Fayetteville.
A lot of it is a matter of sheer geographic location. Unlike a lot of flagship schools UArk is up in one corner away from a good amount of the state. It is much easier to get there then it used to be, but it isn't next door to the Eastern part of the state.
As for losing Hog fans around the state, a good part of that probably has to do with cutting back the amount of games at Little Rock. However, the Athletic Department is racking in money hand over fist, there have never been as many Razorback fans as there are now, and I don't think any of us foresee the Hogs moving half of our scheduled home games back to Little Rock any time soon.
The University probably should recruit the rest of the state academically more then they do... but we are also seeing record enrollments at the U of A and while the percentage has shifted to a few more out of state students then in state, the University is still packed to the brim with students from Arkansas.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:41 am to Arksulli
I honestly believe the UA-Fay admin would rather the average S. Arkansas student attend somewhere else.
The test scores outside of NWA are lagging behind badly. The U of A has ACT score goals and GPA goals of incoming Frosh and Dallas area kids are better prepared coming from better schools than DeWitt and Monticello kids.
The admin are purposefully alienating the flat parts of the state preferring those kids got to state ualr uca or a JUCO.
The test scores outside of NWA are lagging behind badly. The U of A has ACT score goals and GPA goals of incoming Frosh and Dallas area kids are better prepared coming from better schools than DeWitt and Monticello kids.
The admin are purposefully alienating the flat parts of the state preferring those kids got to state ualr uca or a JUCO.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:56 am to CtotheVrzrbck
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Well it could be the tipping point that brings hordes of St. Louis kids down to JBro
This seems like an over reaction
Posted on 9/24/15 at 11:01 am to WonderWartHawg
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t seems that there is a lot more interest and work by the UofA towards to getting out of state students than in state ones.
$$$$
Posted on 9/24/15 at 11:22 am to CtotheVrzrbck
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I honestly believe the UA-Fay admin would rather the average S. Arkansas student attend somewhere else.
I believe that is what they are thinking as well.
And I wonder how many of the UofA graduates will stay in the state of Arkansas, especially since the demographics of the enrollment are swinging to more and more out of state students.
I'm afraid the answer is less and less.
What does that mean for our state? Not much help from the UofA in improving our position of being ahead of only West Virginia in the percentage of residents holding a bachelors degree or higher.
The University of Arkansas has chosen to forget the 'Arkansas' part, by and large it seems.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 11:45 am to WonderWartHawg
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And I wonder how many of the UofA graduates will stay in the state of Arkansas, especially since the demographics of the enrollment are swinging to more and more out of state students.
A pretty decent chunk of them will stay right in NW Arkansas. I live in the area and you are as likely to find someone from outside Arkansas living there then a born and bred Arkie. Hell, I'm one of them.
Also, being a native of Arkansas is no guarantee you won't pack your bags and head off for another state once you have your degree. There is no great shortage of Arkies who have moved to Texas for example.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 12:06 pm to WonderWartHawg
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ot much help from the UofA in improving our position of being ahead of only West Virginia in the percentage of residents holding a bachelors degree or higher.
Not sure how UA is supposed to tell kids to move to Monticello or Fordyce after getting their degree. I think that is on South Arkansas cities to be attractive places for young professionals to live, work and play. In this area, those cities are fricking terrible
Posted on 9/24/15 at 12:25 pm to Porker Face
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Not sure how UA is supposed to tell kids to move to Monticello or Fordyce after getting their degree. I think that is on South Arkansas cities to be attractive places for young professionals to live, work and play. In this area, those cities are fricking terrible
Monticello is a pretty nice little town, if you've never been there (as I suspect maybe you haven't?)
It's a catch 22 - what company is going to go where the the populace has a less percentage with college degrees? What person with a college degree is going where there are less jobs?
You would think the 'flagship' university would feel some need and bias toward helping educate Arkansans and building up Arkansas, but as mentioned in a post further up, it all comes down to $$$$$. That is their primary concern.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 12:26 pm to WonderWartHawg
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Earlier this month, we learned that even though the University of Arkansas has the largest freshman class in its history, the overall number of students from Arkansas is down. This newspaper reported in a Sept. 11 news story: "Growth largely has been based on an influx of out-of-state students. This year's freshman class of 4,916 students continues the trend with 51 percent arriving from outside Arkansas."
That is great news. The University of Arkansas needs a larger Alumni base and needs to attract a higher quality of students. It should be a regional University that will help connect NWA with other larger metros. State lines hardly matter anymore in this global economy minus tax purposes and regulations. There are plenty of good schools in the state for Arkansas kids who just don't qualify for the UofA.
Arkansas has a whole lot of ground to cover with intermediate and high school education before many kids could qualify for the UofA, it's a sad truth. Start from the bottom first. Keep buying those Lotto tickets, it has helped our kids.
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At a time when the University of Arkansas has record enrollment, the number of Arkansans attending the flagship university is falling. That's disturbing on many levels. In the 2010 census, Arkansas ranked next-to-last nationally (ahead of only West Virginia) in the percentage of adults with a bachelor's degree or higher. That ranking is going to have to change if Arkansas is to ever move ahead economically in the knowledge-based economy of the 21st century. Realizing the gravity of the situation, former Gov. Mike Beebe said the state should set a goal of doubling the number of college graduates in Arkansas by 2025. If the trend of declining numbers of Arkansans attending the university persists, trustees will take a strong look at whether the UA still appeals to young people in places such as the Arkansas Delta and south Arkansas.
It's already happening. 7444 students are taking online classes towards degrees at the University of Arkansas. You can sit in South Arkansas and receive a degree as a Razorback.
University of Arkansas Global Campus
Year 2008 - 1288 students
Year 2014 - 7444 students
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The problem is Arkansas' children being undereducated with 3rd lowest median income tied with Alabama (ahead of Mississippi and West Virginia) Oh, Alabama has more out-of-state students as well. Correlation, absolutely.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 12:40 pm to SunHog
Point being, it's not the University OF Arkansas any more. It's a University IN Arkansas.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 12:45 pm to Arksulli
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It could be that we are seeing the natural growth of growth of other Universities in the state.
Yes! I hope Jonesboro gets up to 25,000 students one day and competes with the University of Arkansas for students in and out-of-state. We need to drag our state out of the bottom of the education bracket and enter into the 21st century.
Asa inserting computer science into core curriculum is a huge win for our state. Talk about a no brainer.
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Posted on 9/24/15 at 12:56 pm to WonderWartHawg
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Point being, it's not the University OF Arkansas any more. It's a University IN Arkansas.
True. However, could you not say the same thing about many other good state universities across the country?
The University of Arkansas got very lucky not to be located in the Delta and surrounded by F500 companies, it probably should've been in Little Rock but it isn't. Fayetteville's proximity to Dallas, influx of new talent, economic development, scenic beauty offer a diversity of culture difference to Arkansas that will only help our state even if it's located in the Northwest corner.
We probably are losing some South Arkansas kids but we are gaining quality from Texas kids and in the end, if incentivized correctly, it will benefit our State as a whole.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 1:26 pm to SunHog
I agree with what you said; otherwise there's a good bit of fail in this thread which seems to have morphed into some sort of rather odd pigeonholing/stereotyping thread.
Some of us alums here are from parts of Arkansas not in the Delta, LR, or NWA, decided to go to the You of A after attending very small high schools not anywhere close to Fayetteville and were at no disadvantage because we didn't come from some elite place, continue to be Razorback fans as we have been all our lives even though we don't live in NWA and didn't other than the time we were in school, and decided to continue to live and work here in Arkansas after we graduated although we could have moved somewhere else. And I believe that will continue to the case. I could have given a tinker's damn about the composition of the student body on campus other than knowing there would be a sufficient number of womenz there.
Some of us alums here are from parts of Arkansas not in the Delta, LR, or NWA, decided to go to the You of A after attending very small high schools not anywhere close to Fayetteville and were at no disadvantage because we didn't come from some elite place, continue to be Razorback fans as we have been all our lives even though we don't live in NWA and didn't other than the time we were in school, and decided to continue to live and work here in Arkansas after we graduated although we could have moved somewhere else. And I believe that will continue to the case. I could have given a tinker's damn about the composition of the student body on campus other than knowing there would be a sufficient number of womenz there.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 1:42 pm to SunHog
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We need to drag our state out of the bottom of the education bracket and enter into the 21st century.
Amen. Truer words were never spoken.
Or typed as the case may be but you know what I mean.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:24 pm to Litigator
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sufficient number of womenz there.
Really all that matters at the end of the day.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 3:49 pm to Litigator
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I could have given a tinker's damn about the composition of the student body on campus other than knowing there would be a sufficient number of womenz there.
Once again, amen!
Though, joking aside, the U of A draws the best and brightest from around the state right now. Yes, some exceptional students wind up going somewhere else. That will happen.
The top of the line students who are dedicated to staying in Arkansas will tend to meander to the U of A.
That having been said there is plenty of wealth to share. State, UCA, and the small horde of colleges in this state will continue to turn out fine graduates.
We need more college graduates here. If its from Fayetteville, Conway, Jonesboro, Monticello, or what have you... the important thing is that we have them.
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