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re: Anyone else think Richt is overrated as qb guru?

Posted on 6/7/15 at 10:42 am to
Posted by DawgGONIT
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Posted on 6/7/15 at 10:42 am to
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whose alter am I?


Nope, you are a moron.
Posted by DawgGONIT
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Posted on 6/7/15 at 10:53 am to
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An argument can also be made that every QB under Richt has reached his full potential and that Richt actually gets more out of his qb's than most.


I can see that argument, but J Cox cost us some games. Mason could be argued cost us the USC game, but I'd rather put the blame on Richt or Bobo b/c Gurley 4 times up the gut would of scored. Mason was efficient, but when you throw the ball 10 yds you should be.

All this comes down to the qbs we have this season. Ramsey was a 4*, but played in a wing T (very raw) and from most reports it seems like he isn't picking up the playbook like he should be (who knows?). Bauta is a 3* who seems more like an athletic version of Mason (which isn't a bad thing), and Park who probably the guy left out w/ Lambert coming on. I don't know much about Lambert, but I assume he wasn't highly rated coming out of HS.

Hopefully the qb won't have to throw it 15 times a game, b/c I don't want to have to depend on the qb to come back and win the game for us this season.
Posted by DawgGONIT
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Posted on 6/7/15 at 11:03 am to
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No from the thread tittle it sounds like he is not. He clearly is a QB guru so go back to Dawg run or zip it.


You are fricking stupid. So thread titles shouldn't be exaggerated to gain more hits? I did it and it worked out very well, probably to well.

Also if you actually read the 1st post of the thread, which is by me, I say Richt is a good qb coach, but I dont' think he is as good as some of my fellow DAWG fans make him out to be. Apparently by me saying this, some of the 'simpler' dawg fans believe that I said Richt sucks at coaching qbs. Just b/c I don't think Richt is the best qb coach or one of the top qb coaches in America, doesn't mean that I think Richt sucks at coaching qbs.

Guru = expert teacher on a particular subject, basically the best of the best. I do not think Rich fits this description as a qb coach, do I not have the freedom to ask if others what their opinion is on the subject?

And clearly you are one of the types that if someone complains about something in America, your response would be, "if you don't like America, you can leave". Very simplistic mindset.

Posted by DawgGONIT
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Posted on 6/7/15 at 11:11 am to
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Mason could be argued cost us the USC game, but I'd rather put the blame on Richt or Bobo


I said this you dumbfrick. Did you not see the part where I said I would rather put the blame on the person who wanted to pass in that situation. Mason fricked up big time w/ the intentional grounding, which he did again in the season for a 5th yr sr.

How does Chubb suck? I've stated he is probably the best rb in the nation. You are a sorry attempt of a troll. Dallas, I know that is you, you scared pussy. Post on your real account.
Posted by DawgGONIT
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Posted on 6/7/15 at 11:12 am to
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alter trash


Yeah I'm the alter....look who just joined this month. Fresh alter is altering.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 6/7/15 at 11:12 am to
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Is he as good as most UGA fans believe or is he the benefactor of recruiting great talent at qb?


Jacob Eason thinks he is a good QB coach.
Matt Stafford, too.

These guys could have gone anywhere in the country.
And they are choosing to learn under Richt.

Comments after Stafford came into the NFL about being prepared have gone a long way for Richt's recruiting.
But the meat of the story is that a 20 year old kid (Stafford) was prepared to be the #1 draft pick and step right in to the NFL.
Posted by DawgGONIT
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Posted on 6/7/15 at 11:19 am to
So how does one pick and choose who coaches the qb now? Is it the qb coach or the actual coach? B/c Bobo was our qb coach. @ FSU Richt was qb coach. So Richt gets credit as a qb coach at FSU but then he gets credit as the head coach at UGA, trumping the qb coach Bobo?

I agree with you though, that when Richt already has a talented qb, he will get them to do well. With lower tier talent, they will have avg seasons.

Also would you guys say Eason is a can't miss college qb stud? Based on size which is ideal, arm strength which is elite, mechanics is great, release is very quick so elite, qb IQ is great. So regardless of who coached him, he still should do good no matter what school he went to as long as the oline game him some time? I think so, just like Stafford. Eason will be the top picked qb in the NFL draft or top 5 pick, if he doesn't get injured in college. I'm glad we have him and really believe he will get us a NC or two while here, but he will be used as an example of Richt developing qbs, when in fact Eason will be great no matter who is coaching him. Look at who Eason's coach is now and see that Eason is great in spite of the limited coaching ability compared to Richt or the NFL.
Posted by DawgGONIT
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Posted on 6/7/15 at 11:24 am to
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Jacob Eason thinks he is a good QB coach.
Matt Stafford, too.


Finally a non troll reply.

I also think he is a good qb coach too, I've already said that. But by guru I mean the best of the best and I dont think Richt is in that category, which isn't a knock on Richt like a lot of 'simpler' uga fans think.

Also with Stafford, Richt didn't develop any touch or fix his mechanics while here at UGA, which are his big flaws.

Stafford coming out of HS was said to be the most ready and was claimed as a prototypical NFL qb. Well watching him play, you could see that. Eason is of the same mold but better considering his mechanics and touch are great w/ a very quick release. Eason should be the #1 pick or top 5 for sure baring injury. Honestly, he could probably go to GT and throw 150 passes a season and still go top 5. Thats how good he is
This post was edited on 6/7/15 at 11:25 am
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 6/7/15 at 11:25 am to
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Finally a non troll reply.

I also think he is a good qb coach too, I've already said that. But by guru I mean the best of the best and I dont think Richt is in that category, which isn't a knock on Richt like a lot of 'simpler' uga fans think.

Also with Stafford, Richt didn't develop any touch or fix his mechanics while here at UGA, which are his big flaws.

Stafford coming out of HS was said to be the most ready and was claimed as a prototypical NFL qb. Well watching him play, you could see that. Eason is of the same mold but better considering his mechanics and touch are great w/ a very quick release. Eason should be the #1 pick or top 5 for sure baring injury. Honestly, he could probably go to GT and throw 150 passes a season and still go top 5. Thats how good he is


OK. Stafford and Eason had the opportunity to learn under any QB guru that they could and they chose UGA because the keggers were great and Richt was above average.

You've got it all figured out.
Posted by DawgGONIT
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Posted on 6/7/15 at 11:27 am to
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ETA: talk about Dallas again
So you are dallas

So did you go back and re read my post and see that you are a dumbass who can't read? I said I would rather put the blame on Bobo or Richt, which ever one approved calling a pass vs USC. I said one could argue that Mason cost us, but didn't say that was "MY" argument. Now you feel like a dumb piece of shite and resorting to name calling since you have no actual rebuttal.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 6/7/15 at 11:28 am to
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Also with Stafford, Richt didn't develop any touch or fix his mechanics while here at UGA, which are his big flaws.

Stafford coming out of HS was said to be the most ready and was claimed as a prototypical NFL qb.


Stafford was 17 in his high school playing career.
He started in the SEC too early at the age of 18.
He left his playing career at the age of 20.

Murray played his first year at UGA... at the age of 20.

The point is that 100% of Stafford's development was due to Richt. Otherwise, you are saying that the talent of a 17 year old alone made him the first pick of the NFL draft.

You can choose to see what you want to see.
But Stafford and Eason had a choice of who to develop them.
If you ask them personally, they will say that they chose the best option in the country (their opinion is slanted... but it was developed at the time with the help of their parents and high school coaches).

Posted by DawgGONIT
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Posted on 6/7/15 at 11:35 am to
Look at the NFL drafting these guys just based of measurable. Eason has ELITE arm and height right now. He will gain teh weight, and his mechanics from footwork, vision, and release are very elite for high school. If he isn't that good why is all UGA fans anointing him as the starter when he arrives here?

Show me where I said Richt can't coach qbs? I've only said that if Richt is as good as YOU say he is, they why did Joe T, Cox and Mason not play better? Mason played avg, but should of thrown the ball down field more that what he did. The play calling for him were mostly designed short plays. Did you watch the games? You would imagine w/ Richts greatness that he could develop a better deep ball passer out of him. Nope he didn't.

Stafford also never developed good mechanics or touch w/ Richt. How does Richt get a pass on this and is completely ignored?
Posted by dallasga6
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Posted on 6/7/15 at 11:43 am to
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ETA: talk about Dallas again
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We're both on line at the same time yet Imma some kind of alter... FWIW, I don't play that kiddie shite...
This post was edited on 6/7/15 at 11:45 am
Posted by dallasga6
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Posted on 6/7/15 at 11:46 am to
100.....
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 6/7/15 at 11:53 am to
Give me a list of five college coaches right now who are better at developing qbs. Don't dance around the question, just list them.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 6/7/15 at 11:56 am to
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they why did Joe T, Cox and Mason not play better?

First, Joe Cox could make all of the reads and all of the throws. He accounted for 1 fewer TD than Stafford's best season. Cox's problem was what kills a lot of QBs. Clean pocket... All American. SEC DTs in his face and he crumbled into the worst case scenario. His good was very, very good. His bad was all too common the worst case scenario (fumble/TD, INT/TD, trying to throw the ball out of bounds to the sidelines and it gets picked off).

Mason did play better. He holds the school record for completion percentage. His offense holds the school record for points. You want him to throw downfield more when the 1 or 2 shots that we took per game didn't hit? Why don't you watch the 2008 UGA v UF game and tell me if we should have thrown downfield more often. You throw downfield for one of two reasons. 1) Keep the defense honest... and the one or two times for Mason worked there. 2) You can't score without some lucky deep throws. We did that with Murray sometimes when the offense had stalled. Some games it worked and some games it didn't (UGA v Mizzou 2013).

Stafford was 20 years old. He played his perfect game in his last game (UGA v Michigan State bowl game). He showed his maturity and development just in time to leave for the NFL. Prior to that game, most of the UGA big games against good/great opponents were built off of the defense and the running game.
You're complaining that Richt couldn't teach a 19 year old to play like an NFL pro. Well... he did it for a 20 year old about 2 months before his 21st birthday. Before UGA had a chance to see the fruits of the development, he gone.
Posted by dallasga6
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Posted on 6/7/15 at 12:02 pm to
Did you send DGD a message when you tried to post on the UGA board?? You gotta do that 1st. If you did I'll start a thread that DGD might see, I think he's been busy as frick lately...
This post was edited on 6/7/15 at 12:05 pm
Posted by dallasga6
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Posted on 6/7/15 at 12:05 pm to
see edit above...
Posted by TigerBait1127
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Posted on 6/7/15 at 12:05 pm to
I would love to have UGA's QBs
Posted by DawgGONIT
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 6/7/15 at 12:07 pm to
Bobo was damn good at UGA. But does Richt get credit here too?

B Kelly at ND

Whoever was in charge of qbs at Ohio St did a fricking amazing job w/ the 3rd stringer. Could Richt have done that?

Fisher at FSU

K Sumlin at A&M.

J harbaugh at Michigan would probably know a thing or two about what it takes to be a good qb.
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