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re: That you can kill your own baby and get away with murder is well known...

Posted on 3/28/15 at 3:00 pm to
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/28/15 at 3:00 pm to
You didn't answer the question.

I'll go first. My BA is in Classics. I remember all my classmates saying stuff like the nonsense you're spouting here. What's yours?
Posted by DownSouthJukin
Coaching Changes Board
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 3/28/15 at 3:03 pm to
Taking the stairs-a normal life decision-is not inherently dangerous to others or considered in reckless disregard for human life -EVER.

Quit while you're behind.
Posted by AUbagman
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Member since Jun 2014
10783 posts
Posted on 3/28/15 at 3:10 pm to
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Taking the stairs-a normal life decision-is not inherently dangerous to others or considered in reckless disregard for human life -EVER.




Idiots out there think it is. That's my point. I'm not saying I think it is. My whole basis here is what would happen if the legal definition was changed to life beginning at conception. Sheesh. Sure it's a preposterous example, but surely you guys could arrive at the main point instead of attacking a sole example.

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Posted by TMDawg
Member since Nov 2012
5379 posts
Posted on 3/28/15 at 3:13 pm to
Not getting into whether abortion should be legal or not, but no states that I'm aware of allow an abortion at 34 weeks without specific medical exceptions, and the cut off in Colorado is 26 weeks. If they've decided that's the point of viability (it's actually about 2 weeks earlier than that) that they're willing to acknowledge, I don't see why it matters whether the baby is living inside the mom or outside of her when someone kills it.

Posted by TMDawg
Member since Nov 2012
5379 posts
Posted on 3/28/15 at 3:18 pm to
Considering that most parents aren't charged if they roll over and smother their child co-sleeping (assuming they aren't drunk, etc), I doubt a pregnant woman taking the stairs is going to be found guilty of anything. That's just adding insult to injury and wouldn't serve any purpose whatsoever (and I realize that's not always an important point to the legal system )



ETA: and I'm not saying the parents mentioned above should be charged (again, assuming they aren't drunk, etc). I can't even begin to imagine how bad that is.
This post was edited on 3/28/15 at 3:31 pm
Posted by AUbagman
LA
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 3/28/15 at 3:31 pm to
Like I said, it's one example of many that could be pursued by a DA (ridiculous or not). There have been charges brought up on co-sleeping parents where alcohol/drug use wasn't proven, so there is the possibility. I just think it would create a slippery slope.
Posted by Corndawg23
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Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 3/28/15 at 3:33 pm to
I think Nancey Grace might say otherwise . She thinks every body is guilty.
This post was edited on 3/28/15 at 3:35 pm
Posted by derSturm37
Texas
Member since May 2013
1521 posts
Posted on 3/28/15 at 4:01 pm to
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[The suspect] would be charged with first-degree attempted murder, two counts of first-degree assault, two counts of second-degree assault and unlawful termination of a pregnancy. Lane faces up to 176 years in prison if convicted on all counts, the prosecutor's office said.


It's just a matter of the current wording of Colorado law. You can't have murdered someone who hadn't already been born. It could help us all to feel a little better to focus on the fact that the suspect is being charged with (two counts of) assault against the unborn child and with unlawful termination of a pregnancy.

I don't think this is a case of the [spirit of the] law's being indifferent to unborn babies. It's just that the Colorado legistlature got left looking short-sighted in their choice of words. I wouldn't be surprised if the law there is changed a little in the near future.

And-- unfortunately enough sometimes-- I'm sure we'll agree that you can't charge anyone with a crime that wasn't a crime when the act was committed, even if you are going to come back later and make said act a crime.

And AUbagman (sp?) was just making a point toward some technical argument. I think a lot of you jumped on him unnecessarily.

Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
57147 posts
Posted on 3/28/15 at 5:41 pm to
It's funny how people throw out weeks because it seems like a small amount of time.

26 weeks = 6 1/2 months

At 6 1/2 months that baby is kicking, moving, laughing, smiling, and then it is SCREAMING, SQUIRMING, BLEEEDING, AND DYING
Posted by TMDawg
Member since Nov 2012
5379 posts
Posted on 3/28/15 at 5:59 pm to
The reason weeks are usually used is because of the changes expected based on certain weeks of gestation and the fact that ___ weeks and ___ days is the common way OBs keep track of gestational age and monitor the pregnancy. And it's been that way since before abortions were legal.

I don't think anyone does it as a way of making the life seem less significant (assuming that's what you meant and I could be incorrect in that assumption).

Stuff like this is terrible regardless of how the age is measured or what age it is for that matter.
Posted by DanMullins4Life
Member since Oct 2012
3168 posts
Posted on 3/28/15 at 6:12 pm to
Would you charge someone with murder if they cut off another person's finger?

Checkmate, Christians.
Posted by derSturm37
Texas
Member since May 2013
1521 posts
Posted on 3/28/15 at 6:15 pm to
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Would you charge someone with murder if they cut off another person's finger?

Checkmate, Christians.


I guess it's 5 o'clock somewhere?
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Member since Dec 2012
70044 posts
Posted on 3/28/15 at 6:19 pm to
Dude, it's Merlins, he's a better troll
Posted by derSturm37
Texas
Member since May 2013
1521 posts
Posted on 3/28/15 at 6:25 pm to
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Dude, it's Merlins, he's a better troll

I guess I could start giving a shite about remembering to recognize who's who. But I've never done so in real life, so...
This post was edited on 3/28/15 at 6:30 pm
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