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re: Fellow southerners - why do we keep electing fools?

Posted on 3/16/15 at 12:28 pm to
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 3/16/15 at 12:28 pm to
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I haven't read the entire thread. But here's my take.

In today's environment, any intelligent, sensible, decent person stays far away from elected office. Why would you drag your family and yourself through the media mud, have every thing you've ever done opened up to scrutiny and misinterpretation by the other side, and ensure your family will never have a normal life? Sensible people, the kind you'd want to actually hold office, say "thanks, but not a chance."

So, you only have the corrupt, the greedy, or the fools running - there aren't many good choices to make. Even IF, and it's a big IF, a candidate starts off with great intentions and is a good elected official, they inevitably get dragged down into the muck by having to do favors and make promises for the greater good. By the time they run for a big office, like Senator, or President, they've had to play the game too long, and they've cut so many back-room deals that they're as bad as what they set out to change.

It's a piss-poor system that doesn't attract the cream of the crop. Sadly, it's one of the best systems in the world, and it won't change any time soon.



This. And something happened the last few election cycles in TN that probably happened elsewhere too. The Koch brothers and other conservative interest groups poured so much cash into state rep and state senate campaigns that they became several 100k to million dollar races - for freaking state house jobs that don't even pay full time! Until recently, if you had a little bit of money saved up and the connections to land you the right speaking gigs in front of voters you could run for the state house on less than 10k (many much less than that) and the state senate for around 30-50k (also a lot of districts didn't cost anywhere near that).

However, the infusion of outside national money has made it impossible for Joe and Jan Schmoe to run an effective race against that kind of money. State Senator X may well be hated and incompetent but he's bankrolled to such a degree that Joe Schmoe's campaign stands no chance.

It's a mess and TN treats being a senator or house member as a part-time job which was fine when we were all farmers and the legislature met during the non-work period and ended just in time for all the harvesting, planting, selling, etc. to done. But that world is long past and you can't pay these men and women part time wages for what is now a full-time job and not expect them to make up the money in a way that's either against the rules or downright illegal. We have a system that is setup to almost guarantee corruption happens -- so much so that it's strange, even treated with suspicion, when someone plays by the rules.
Posted by semotruman
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 3/16/15 at 12:33 pm to
Prof, you've got it. The money is the issue. Any politician that starts out decent ends up owing favors due to the money that special interest groups hold over their heads. It's just set up for corruption. So, it attracts the lower end of the scale.

Local offices are different. But once the money gets involved, its over. And decent people want no part of it.
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 3/16/15 at 3:18 pm to
You other Southern states need to follow Texas' example. Our Leg meets for 120 days every 2 years and that's it outside of the very rare Special Session. Our elected officials outside of the Governor make $7600 annually. We don't give our Leg much of an opportunity for mischief because they don't have time.

The result? Our economy has been crushing everyone else ever since the GOP took over in '94. Does oil help? Sure, but Texas is a magnet for companies in all industries that have moved her or have started here because of our low tax, business friendly culture. We haven't elected a Dem to any Statewide office since '98 and our economy has continued to thrive in spite of what the rest of the country has done.

Hate on Perry all you like, it's not hard with his looks and style. Answer this though, is there any state that has been remotely as successful as Texas since '00 when he took over? It certainly isn't all him but he is a low tax, pro business guy all the way that is also opposed to growing government at just about every turn.

The only good government is limited government. Government by its nature is broad and inefficient and as it grows it is hard to eliminate and it takes more money and liberty at every turn.

Also, Texas is fundamentally more libertarian than most Southern states, it has some Western feel and an independent streak. We have some social conservatives for sure and we have some whack job liberals but Texas probably has the most libertarian leaning population and government in the US.
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