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re: Do you think the Civil War was started over slavery?

Posted on 2/13/15 at 7:05 am to
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 2/13/15 at 7:05 am to
No ... you're absolutely right. East Tennessee from Knoxville to Bristol was mostly Yankee ... still is for that matter. It's a very pro-Obama, pro-Democrat liberal area even today. Some of the most obnoxious blind destructive liberal progressive idiots this side of the Mississippi still come outta there. Hell ... that evil POS Johnson was from there.
Posted by Person of interest
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Posted on 2/13/15 at 7:20 am to
Here is an excerpt from South Carolina's declaration of secession.


The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."

This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River.

The same article of the Constitution stipulates also for rendition by the several States of fugitives from justice from the other States.

The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.


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Looks like they are mostly pissed about escaped slaves not being returned.
This post was edited on 2/13/15 at 7:30 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 2/13/15 at 7:39 am to
quote:

East Tennessee from Knoxville to Bristol was mostly Yankee ... still is for that matter. It's a very pro-Obama, pro-Democrat liberal area even today.




Jeebus christ no, no it isn't. At all. Not even close. Northeast Tennessee "most pro-Obama" area in the South ?!?!?!?! Gawd no.

Now, it was anti-confederacy (see Free State of Franklin), but that was because they were all too poor to own slaves from the beginning and were more of a mix of poorer European immigrants (German, Irish, etc) than their Deep South counterparts. Quite frankly they identified more with those who were slaves and indentured servants than they did the elite who owned the slaves. Southern Appalachian people always were and still are much more like people in Western PA than they are people in South Georgia or West Tennessee.

The area below is much more akin to eachother ("Appalachia") than it is to the area it is normally "associated with" (North/South/etc) (except for Asheville, it's it's own).


This post was edited on 2/13/15 at 7:51 am
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