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re: Philon to enter NFL draft
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:31 pm to theenemy
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:31 pm to theenemy
Philon doesn't have the right attitude for the NFL yet, he's a class clown kind of guy and hasn't really grown up yet mentally. He's obviously a good football player, but NFL teams will be hesitant to throw a bunch of money at a kid like that.
I hope the best for him but I don't see this ending well.
I hope the best for him but I don't see this ending well.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:36 pm to Stonehog
Can never blame a kid for taking millions though, even if he goes 5th or 6th round and only lasts 3 or 4 years in league he's still looking at 10+ million.
Especially if his family needs it asap.
Especially if his family needs it asap.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:39 pm to UltimateHog
I don't blame him for taking the money, I just think he's not ready yet from a maturity standpoint. He might not have been ready for the NFL even after another year at Arkansas.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 12:06 am to Stonehog
If he don't get hurt and he's not a head case as hinted above, he's going to be a great pro.
You can push some weights around and get stronger and bigger, but he's got God gifted NFL speed and agility.
He will do well.
Would've gone higher with another year under Segrest and Herbert, but could of tore his knee up also.
You can push some weights around and get stronger and bigger, but he's got God gifted NFL speed and agility.
He will do well.
Would've gone higher with another year under Segrest and Herbert, but could of tore his knee up also.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 12:14 am to PygmalionEffect
Wish we could have come up with some easy A classes and got hom a 10 mil insurance policy.
But with Bijohn, Froholdt and all the others I aint worried
But with Bijohn, Froholdt and all the others I aint worried
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 12:15 am
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:07 am to UltimateHog
How official is this? I don't blame Philon for entering the draft. But he just seems too small for the NFL. Then again, if he isn't going to improve his draft position, he might as well take the paycheck now instead of burning a year in college.
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 1:29 am
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:13 am to digitalis
5th or 6th round is 3 or 4 years for about 2 million total.. not 10.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:15 am to UltimateHog
Good for him. I hope he lands with a decent team.
Sad to see him go but that's what happens when you actually have good players. No melting or worries at all. Smith has already proven himself.
Sad to see him go but that's what happens when you actually have good players. No melting or worries at all. Smith has already proven himself.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 7:53 am to theenemy
Good for Philon. I remember his signing day debacle well and wish him nothing but the best.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 7:55 am to UltimateHog
He's been great for us- wish him the best but I am sad to see him go.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 8:02 am to UltimateHog
I fully expect Bijhon Jackson to take a big step forward with another year of training under his belt. It sucks, but we'll be fine.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 2:54 pm to Hillbilly Joe
I'm just going to miss watching him dominate people.. Best DT we've had since, who? Harrison? Hope he has an All Pro NFL career.
Hopeful that our Froholdt can be the same kind of player. He seemed BEASTLY in the one game he played on ESPN earlier this year.
Hopeful that our Froholdt can be the same kind of player. He seemed BEASTLY in the one game he played on ESPN earlier this year.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 4:12 pm to ocelot4ark
I hate this for him because it's a deciison that's going to ruin his life.
1. he's not going to be "a great pro" he's too damn small and he doesn't have elite athletic ability. He's got GOOD athletic ability but he's not elite. AT BEST..
let me put it this way. Malcom Brown, the DT at texas is a protypical NFL DT. He left early and he won't sniff past the 2nd round. you can plug him in right onw and he can make plays.
Philon is about 20-30 pounds too big and he can't play at a bigger weight. It's not a matter of bulking him up we did that and he didn't like it, so he lost the weight. So what you really have is a small DT or a slightly undersized 3-4 End which is what i think he ends up being.
first of all,that's half the teaams off the board right there. Then there are better, more phycial prospects than him at the position
At best, he's a 5th round pick. That's being serious. I don't expect him to get drafted utni the 7th and it would not shock me at all if he went undrafted. There is no market for undersized DT's.
2. But lets say... that he gets drafted in the 5th ground.. The avg NFL career is 3 seasons. That's maybe 1 million dollar contract, 500k signing bonus, after taxes you might have 700k left. after your house, your car, taking care of everyone around you, you're flat broke by the time you're 25 and "you hate school" remember?
But that education.. see white people (no offense) do not understand this about poor black familes. For every 1 Knile Davis that gets out and makes it and takes care of his family there are 20 Marcus Monks... who just don't make it for one reason or the other.. But monk has that paper to fall back on. Look what that degree has done for Marcus Monk, for his family.
I mean if you are like, a first round lock I get that. That's common sense. You put 20-30k back / aside to go back to school one day and you go to the NFL and collect dat paper. But there is about a 95% chance that 3 years from now Philon is living with his mom in alabama broke as frick with no degree and no one will give a shite.
1. he's not going to be "a great pro" he's too damn small and he doesn't have elite athletic ability. He's got GOOD athletic ability but he's not elite. AT BEST..
let me put it this way. Malcom Brown, the DT at texas is a protypical NFL DT. He left early and he won't sniff past the 2nd round. you can plug him in right onw and he can make plays.
Philon is about 20-30 pounds too big and he can't play at a bigger weight. It's not a matter of bulking him up we did that and he didn't like it, so he lost the weight. So what you really have is a small DT or a slightly undersized 3-4 End which is what i think he ends up being.
first of all,that's half the teaams off the board right there. Then there are better, more phycial prospects than him at the position
At best, he's a 5th round pick. That's being serious. I don't expect him to get drafted utni the 7th and it would not shock me at all if he went undrafted. There is no market for undersized DT's.
2. But lets say... that he gets drafted in the 5th ground.. The avg NFL career is 3 seasons. That's maybe 1 million dollar contract, 500k signing bonus, after taxes you might have 700k left. after your house, your car, taking care of everyone around you, you're flat broke by the time you're 25 and "you hate school" remember?
But that education.. see white people (no offense) do not understand this about poor black familes. For every 1 Knile Davis that gets out and makes it and takes care of his family there are 20 Marcus Monks... who just don't make it for one reason or the other.. But monk has that paper to fall back on. Look what that degree has done for Marcus Monk, for his family.
I mean if you are like, a first round lock I get that. That's common sense. You put 20-30k back / aside to go back to school one day and you go to the NFL and collect dat paper. But there is about a 95% chance that 3 years from now Philon is living with his mom in alabama broke as frick with no degree and no one will give a shite.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:29 am to vengeanceofrain
Well, a little silver lining to Philon entering the draft: he'll be the fourth DL that's made it to the NFL since Bielema has been head coach.
That's nice to be able to sell to recruits for the 2016 class. We've got Agim and Capps in-state for 2016 and we'll need both of them.
That's nice to be able to sell to recruits for the 2016 class. We've got Agim and Capps in-state for 2016 and we'll need both of them.
This post was edited on 1/15/15 at 9:31 am
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:11 am to vengeanceofrain
You can tell there's a difference between flowers and philon. I can tell just from listening to them when the media interviews them. Could tell flowers had his head on straight, philon not so much. Some people get 'it' others don't till it's too late. Flowers just gets 'it'.
I also feel Bert tried a little harder to keep flowers, he cared more if he stayed or not. Philon not caring for school was probably a part of bert not caring as much. Philon may surprise me by excelling in the NFL and come back for his degree, I just don't see that happening.
I also feel Bert tried a little harder to keep flowers, he cared more if he stayed or not. Philon not caring for school was probably a part of bert not caring as much. Philon may surprise me by excelling in the NFL and come back for his degree, I just don't see that happening.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:24 am to hawgfaninc
there's no reason to think bielema didn't care as much about keeping philon. i'm sure he tried his damndest; philon could've been an all-american next year and the cornerstone of a huge growing year for the team. it's probably more about maturity and getting 'it', using your phrasing.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 2:55 pm to hawgfaninc
probably Bielema's pitch didn't matter much when the agent shows up with a bag of cash for Philon
This post was edited on 1/15/15 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 1/15/15 at 4:31 pm to WaveHog
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there's no reason to think bielema didn't care as much about keeping philon. i'm sure he tried his damndest; .
Yea but I bet while talking to philon, Bert could tell his recruiting to keep him in school wasn't working. So he didn't push as hard because philon wasn't very receptive to the idea of staying in school.
And bert probably had an idea his recruiting wasn't going to work going in, based off that it seems a lot of people knew philon and school don't go well together.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 4:35 pm to RazorHawg
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probably Bielema's pitch didn't matter much when the agent shows up with a bag of cash for Philon
Yea I'm sure Bert could tell where philons priorities were.
I recall in his end of year press conference he was asked if he had an idea if philon would stay or go, he said he did but declined to answer. Bet he knew then philon was gone.
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