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Lane Kiffen's impact beyond X's & O's

Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:54 pm
Posted by AUTiger45
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:54 pm
I must preface this post by saying when I heard that Bama hired Kiffen I was like most & thought it was an epic disaster waiting to happen. It just did not seem like their personalities were compatible. To the contrary, it seems like a brilliant move as Kiffen has turned Bama's O from serviceable to prolific. Beyond that though, I believe his success goes much deeper. Saban has been an insufferable prick up to this point in his career. This season I couldnt put my finger on it but found myself not only able to tolerate listening to him but downright enjoying it. This season he has really come off as more human and less sociopath. After watching Kiffen's speech at that awards deal the other day I cant help but believe he is at least partially responsible for this turnaround. Either way its been fun to watch his personal growth.
Posted by Bama54
Neverland
Member since Nov 2011
5021 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:55 pm to
He has said becoming a grandfather has changed his perspective.
Posted by samson73103
Krypton
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8188 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:56 pm to
Thanks for your interest in Alabama football. Now GFY
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
You'll Never Walk Alone
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:58 pm to
Saban is a very personable guy, he just doesn't like dumb questions from the media and isn't shy about calling them out on dumb questions. You don't recruit the way Saban has recruited if you're an insufferable prick. You're not going to find one of his former players at Alabama that doesn't appreciate everything he's done for them either. (Sans those that were beyond helping)
Posted by Tigers of War
Ewor
Member since Aug 2013
1340 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:58 pm to
I agree. I've gone from hating Kiffin and saban to actually kindve liking them both.
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 3:59 pm to
Kiffen is a snake in the grass, never to be trusted ... but hey, he's always been a very decent offensive mind so that's all that really matters.
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
24972 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 4:00 pm to
This season has been extremely encouraging in that Saban is proving he can and will adapt when necessary to try and stay on top. He is not getting complacent like some successful older coaches have in the past. He looks like he is enjoying this and can do it for quite a few more years.

And I agree that Saban has taken a bit of a different approach personality wise this season and this team has responded nicely to it.

Don't know how much is Kiffen, but I can tell Saban feels pretty vindicated by how the Kiffen experiment has turned out.
Posted by justausedcarguy
Member since Aug 2014
5642 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 4:05 pm to
I will have to agree. I think this partnership has been great for both. I never thought much of Kiffin as a person and always thought Saban could come across as a prick sometimes. Im not sure what has made the difference, but both have became much more likeable. I just hope that doesnt affect anything on the field.
Posted by Ashevillain
Member since Sep 2014
203 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 4:06 pm to
I think it had more to do with lowered expectations, and the tremendous growth we had during the season. He had his moments (after Arky), but he did seen to have more fun than in past seasons. Which I live to see. I'd love to have him coach for at least another 5 years, hopefully until he's 70.
Posted by Jagd Tiger
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Member since Mar 2014
18139 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 4:11 pm to
quote:

when I heard that Bama hired Kiffen I was like most & thought it was an epic disaster waiting to happen.


what I figured was:

a) Saban recognized Kiffin was a good tactical coach

b) Saban knew Kiffin would at least not hurt the Bama recruiting juggernaut even if he didn't really help it that much.

c) Saban knew Kiffin wouldn't have to be slapped down into knowing his place in the Bama pecking order.


Basically Saban knew he would get what he needed in a competent OC at the very least, and anything more would be gravy. People who bet on Saban to brainfart more than a couple of times a decade are gonna have an empty piggy bank.

Posted by higgs_boson
State College, PA
Member since Sep 2014
22456 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 4:24 pm to
Has no one mentioned how hot his wife is?
Posted by nc14
La Jolla
Member since Jan 2012
28193 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 4:28 pm to
He is a grandparent now, that will soften most people.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 4:43 pm to
I knew Saban would keep Kiffin in line. Sort of like MJ with Rodman.
Posted by gatortrav88
Member since Oct 2014
3807 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 4:59 pm to
kiffin is a huge douche what are you talkin about this is the same guy that told alshon jeffery he'd be pumping gas if he went to play for spurrier at SC
Posted by redeye
Member since Aug 2013
8605 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 5:30 pm to
I'm still not buying that Kiffin's been great for Alabama. This isn't meant as a swipe at Alabama fans, but I think your offense is a liability to your defense now.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
42009 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 5:40 pm to
It's been a surprise

But

It's still only been a year....losing the two games against Arkie & LSU (that they should have) and it's an entirely different discussion we're having.

You can equate it to the luck AU had in 2013 (versus UGA, Bama, etc).
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
30887 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 7:35 pm to
quote:

To the contrary, it seems like a brilliant move as Kiffen has turned Bama's O from serviceable to prolific.


Where do people get this stuff? This is the least effective bama offense since probably saban's first year.
Posted by TechDawgs
Dallas via Atlanta
Member since Oct 2014
387 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 7:41 pm to
quote:

It just did not seem like their personalities were compatible

Great coaches put people around them that challenge them. Easier said than done but Saban is a great coach.

Weak coaches put their buddies around them.


quote:

This season he has really come off as more human and less sociopath. After watching Kiffen's speech at that awards deal the other day I cant help but believe he is at least partially responsible for this turnaround.


You really think Kiffin has helped Saban's personal growth? What are you even saying?
Posted by SabanIsAGod
Jackson
Member since Oct 2009
3880 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:46 pm to
Good post OP.
Posted by S.E.C. Crazy
Alabama
Member since Feb 2013
7905 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:48 pm to
Saban has always had his students best interest at hand. He makes his players go to class or they don't play, period.

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