Orton as QB 21.0ppg in 1st 5 games Tebow at QB 18.2ppg last 11 games.
1st game lost by 3, 2nd win by 2, 3rd lose by 3, 4th blowout to packers, 5th lose by 5. In 4 of the first 5 games McGahee was the leading rusher in the game between both teams and was in the top 5 in the league for rushing yds he finished 8th overall at the end of the year. So dont act like their offense made a huge improvement.

First it wasnt his rookie year that they went to the playoffs. The Texans team he beat in 2010 was 6-10 and had the worst D in the league. Also, I would hope he had the most passing TD's as the startig QB, Orton only had 4 less in 6 fewer games. As far as the running game they had to run the ball because HE COULDNT PASS IT. McGahee had 1200yds rushing. Tebow ran the ball 122 times as a QB if you have to use rushing TD's as a reason to explain why someone is a good QB and cant use his passing stats that's speaks volumes about the guy as a passer. Watch the tape. Good he had a couple good games as a passer so did Geno Smith but you don't get a 46.5 completion percentage by being a good passer. The majority of the games he was awful as a passer thats a fact. I am sorry but he had recievers and he had the worst completion percentage in the last 12 years of the NFL at a minimum. Do you think Blaine Gabbert is good? What about Jamarcus Russel most would say no because they couldn't pass and they didn't transition to the NFL. Somehow with worse recievers and a worse offense overall every QB the Jags and Raiders have had since 2002 finished the season with higher completion percentage and more.

As far as using or not using dropped balls his balls werent catchable at all thats why I said that, not because his recievers just missed them (like you say is the cause of every Driskel incompletion) his throws missed the receivers.

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Wait, is it a team game or not? Because when it's convenient you shovel the blame on Driskel it sure doesn't seem like it.

And here you go back on Driskel. I have said many times yes the team dropped balls but he has alot to do with the losses as well and for some reason you are the only one who is on the stop picking on Driskel train. Yes it is a team game but the team cant win when one person is giving the game away with turnovers and missed passes. Lets keep Muschamp he's not the one playing right. Same logic his shortcomings as a coach affect the whole team. Remember in football to win you need the whole team to be on the same page. But one guy can lose the hell out of a game for you ask Auburns center. He was not a good QB right now period end of discussion. His play on the field proved it. Did you see his only pass in the Vandy game by chance it was laughable. Harris seemed to pass just fine agianst them. I will no longer discuss Driskel with you.

Denver barely made the playoffs because they lost their last 3 games of the regular season and if the raiders would've beaten the chargers the last week of the season they would've went to the playoffs. 3 teams in the AFC west were 8-8 at the end of the year the Broncos had the tie breaker the division sucked out loud. I'm not saying he is terrible, I am saying that he wasnt ready, 90% of those 4th quarter comebacks were due to the defense keeping them in the game for 3qtrs and then making stops and getting turnovers late. Yes Tebow made plays that contributed to them winning but if a QB throws for 40yds on the last drive and a kicker kicks a 50yd FG to win the game 13-10 who is the reason they won the game. I would say the defense for giving up 10 points and the kicker for making a 50yd FG. They played him because the fans wanted him. Fox didnt want him. Elway didnt want him. With time and the right coach he would've been good in my opinion so settle down it seems you cant have any criticism about a Florida QB with you.

Gator Great. Great College QB.

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Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom

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Posted on 11/11/14 at 4:26 pm to gatorbait_007

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First it wasnt his rookie year that they went to the playoffs.

You're right on this -- I thought he didn't complete his first year for some reason.

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Watch the tape. Good he had a couple good games as a passer so did Geno Smith but you don't get a 46.5 completion percentage by being a good passer.

It's kind of pointless to argue with a guy who won't admit that a QB winning with his legs and his arm in different games isn't a sign of being a good QB.

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As far as using or not using dropped balls his balls werent catchable at all thats why I said that, not because his recievers just missed them (like you say is the cause of every Driskel incompletion) his throws missed the receivers.

We'll just pretend like it wasn't a not so subtle barb.

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you are the only one who is on the stop picking on Driskel train.

Fairly irrelevant, being in the minority is a worthless claim.

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Yes it is a team game but the team cant win when one person is giving the game away with turnovers and missed passes.

30~ dropped balls probably hurt more than those that are thrown away to avoid sacks. Especially on third and long. I'm pretty sure catching a ball that hits you in the chest while your quarterback is getting drilled would boost morale quite a bit.

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Lets keep Muschamp he's not the one playing right.

That's pretty stupid considering Muschamp has fundamental flaws in philosophy -- like playing the wrong players in the wrong offense. Misusing the pieces of your team =/= having a player botch a perfectly thrown ball 3+ times a game or more.

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His play on the field proved it. Did you see his only pass in the Vandy game by chance it was laughable. Harris seemed to pass just fine agianst them. I will no longer discuss Driskel with you.

So one pass dictates everything? He threw it at the receiver's feet because even if he caught it, he would have been taken down for -4 yards. His options were out, and he threw it at his feet.

Bizarre that you think one pass can determine a player when they haven't thrown any passes the entire game, too.

Say, do you think dual-quarterback systems are more productive than other systems?

Why do you think most coaches don't use them?

Do you think rhythm, getting accustomed to the timing and cadence of the game have anything to do with it?

I'll wait.

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I will no longer discuss Driskel with you.

It'd be wise you just take a step away from the computer altogether, or at the very least buff up on your logic. You've had some serious problems with it in a couple of threads now.

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Denver barely made the playoffs because they lost their last 3 games of the regular season and if the raiders would've beaten the chargers the last week of the season they would've went to the playoffs.

But they made them, and you say that the defense is the reason but I've given specific accounts of game winning drives. The defense was apart of it, but in the end Tebow and his team got them into the position to do so.

And the Bronco's offense was sorry that year, no one would even call them mediocre. No one could have done anything with that group, and like I said: The QB produced more touchdowns on the ground than the HB did. You can have all the yards in the world, but that statistic alone shows you what you need to know about that offense.

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