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re: Roper?
Posted on 10/19/14 at 12:06 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 10/19/14 at 12:06 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
We could probably win the east with a first year head coach.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 12:31 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Really, how could he not have? I mean, just think about how different our season would be if we had actually rolled the dice and hired someone.
Two factors, and this isn't speculation. I'm not even saying I agree, but this is what happened.
1. The 2012 Season
2. The Injuries
The machinery to hire a new OC went into motion after we lost to Vandy for HC last year. From what I understand, the admin pretty much said they were giving Muschamp a mulligan at that point, but changes had to be made to the offensive staff. Even after GSU, everyone stuck to that plan. I had been told prior that, "Yeah, even if GSU somehow won, his job would be safe."
I suspect he is toast, but that doesn't mean that he will be dismissed Monday. My guess is that if it doesn't come Monday, it won't until after FSU. That doesn't mean things may not go into motion though. It was explained to me that the kind of money that hires coaches, even assistants, doesn't just become available over night. The university has to sign off on certain things as well despite the UAA being somewhat separate.
It's possible that nothing publicly happens but privately they start creating and approving a budget for a new hire. Of course, none of us would know that was going on, and the people that do it are not the blowhard types.
Now I know absolutely 0 as to what is really happening. I wanted to explain why he was probably kept (and I assume I was told correct information based on the way things played out), and I also wanted to explain the university's roll a bit.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 10:31 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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We've had far too many different position coaches to make this a coordinator problem
Straw straw straw. The defense plays balls out. Why is that? Boom has had terrible luck with OCs AND he isn't CALLING OFF PLAYS
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 10:41 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I can't imagine his tune will emulate that one. There's nothing positive to take from this game.
Even for Reel.
You are wrong straw...the one positive is our defense and how hard they fought...if our offense had 1/25 of that energy we would be undefeated. Even when subjected to countless backs to wall scenarios they still fought hard.
Unfortunately...that's the only positive
Posted on 10/19/14 at 11:28 am to LuciusSulla
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Saban at Alabama. I know it seems 1,000 years ago, but when he came in, most of the chatter was that Bama had been irrelevant for too long in too small a state to become a force again any time soon if ever. He goes 7-6 his first year, wins the Sugar Bowl his next
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LuciusSulla
Uhhhh recheck your history and you will see that Saban got taken behind the woodshed in the Sugar Bowl by Utah. In his first year he also lost to Louisiana Monroe or somesuch....but obviously got the defense he needed to start winning.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 3:04 pm to reel_gator8
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Uhhhh recheck your history and you will see that Saban got taken behind the woodshed in the Sugar Bowl by Utah. In his first year he also lost to Louisiana Monroe or somesuch....but obviously got the defense he needed to start winning.
Yeah, I fricked up the Sugar Bowl thing. I didn't mean to say he won it but that he just got there. But that has zero to do with what I ultimately saying. Forest. Trees.
Yes, he lost to ULM his first year, but if I needed to add that to make 7-6 sound like a bad thing, then I much better understand where you are coming from.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:43 pm to LuciusSulla
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Yeah, I fricked up the Sugar Bowl thing. I didn't mean to say he won it but that he just got there.
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LuciusSulla
My point is that Saban and Muschamp BOTH took their teams to the Sugar Bowl in their 2nd year and both got beat badly by Utah and by Louisville....gee its a good thing Straw wasn't the AD at Bama after that beatdown in the Sugar Bowl...cause he would have fired Saban right then
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:20 am to reel_gator8
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Boom has had terrible luck with OCs AND he isn't CALLING OFF PLAYS
Reel, no, he hasn't had terrible luck.
What he has is an incapacity to adapt. He's a guy with little intellect and too many stubborn tendencies.
3 offensive coordinators -- consistently 100+ in offense.
First: He ruined our offense by trying to run a pro-style offense and that was what he wanted, he specifically said that.
Really, that's all you need. You can't take a team with zero offensive players designed, developed or physically built for a pro-style offense -- and just willy nilly turn them into pro-style offense.
Brantley hadn't been in a pro-style offense for over 4 years.
You can't do this without significant problems.
Then........you figure out your mistake years down the line and try to take all of those pro-style players you recruited, developed and trained.........and put them in the spread.
I mean, it's mind-boggling how you can stick up for Muschamp when the guy is a mental midget.
Kinda cool guy I guess, but he is blind, limbless and floating in a river face down -- completely helpless.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:55 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I really think Muschamp will have a lot of success somewhere else. It just didn't work here, and the main issue I see is player development. Every other team in the conference that aside from Vandy at least looks competent.
I don't and can't know why that it is beyond speculation in which I see no point in engaging. I don't think CWM is an idiot, meathead, or whatever else. What I do think is that, due to the mystical nature of football, Florida and he just can't get in sync. I feel he will go be a DC for a couple of years, get his head screwed back on, and surface somewhere with a really good team. However, I don't think it will ever happen here. It's like two basically good people in a relationship that for, whatever reason, just doesn't work. It sucks all around - sucks for him, the alumni, Foley, and the University in general. However, it is time to cut bait and move on, not really just for Florida, but for him as well. He isn't helping his own career here at this point anymore.
I don't and can't know why that it is beyond speculation in which I see no point in engaging. I don't think CWM is an idiot, meathead, or whatever else. What I do think is that, due to the mystical nature of football, Florida and he just can't get in sync. I feel he will go be a DC for a couple of years, get his head screwed back on, and surface somewhere with a really good team. However, I don't think it will ever happen here. It's like two basically good people in a relationship that for, whatever reason, just doesn't work. It sucks all around - sucks for him, the alumni, Foley, and the University in general. However, it is time to cut bait and move on, not really just for Florida, but for him as well. He isn't helping his own career here at this point anymore.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:05 am to LuciusSulla
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I really think Muschamp will have a lot of success somewhere else. It just didn't work here, and the main issue I see is player development. Every other team in the conference that aside from Vandy at least looks competent.
It really just comes down to Florida style football. His offensive vision (from Saban's leaf) does not work here.
It has never worked here.
And our worst years have been when we run pro-style.
I don't think it's all that mystical (although that does sound pretentious, I'll take those caveats), I really do believe it's as simple as:
I'm gonna march in here, run MY offense no matter what it takes and I'm not going to change.
Until my job is on the line -- then it's a mad scramble to try and put the pieces back together.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:10 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Actually the fun n gun was just a pro-style pass heavy offense it didn't evolve into a shotgun style offense until the 96 championship game. But for the most part part it was 3 wr, 1 te, 1 rb ace set that passed the ball all the time.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:17 am to LuciusSulla
I actually agree with you Lucius. He just wasn't ready for a job this big yet. I actually think the guy will get a small time job with SMU or something like that. He shown a willingness to adapt but it's always when it's too late. That's more then you can say for some young headcoaches. He is a good recruiter, even in a blowout his defense only gave up 120 yards. He just can't completely abandon his offensive philosophies and will always start mediocre upperclassman on offense instead of letting talented lowerclassman take the field. Which is completely opposite of what he does on defense. He doesn't care if your a fifth year senior, if your not getting the job done on defense he will bench you with quickness. That alone amazes the hell out of me.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:20 am to LuciusSulla
He has been snakebit at UF and the black cat that follows him causing a lot of grief. He knows Xs & Os on defense better than 99.9% of the coachs out there.
Lets not call him names...it sounds childish, when you don't know someone personally. Has anyone considered what impacts these coaches when terminated? Their families and the families of asst coaches? Fans are so unhappy these days and its a reflection of society I guess. Look at the rant board and as soon as a team loses one damn game they are up in arms and lose two games? Its comical to see posts made about Saban, now Sumlin and now Butch Jones and their job security.
I am not a sagacious person but it is easy to see what has happen with the advent of social media. Ray Graves would have been fired before he ever could have had Spurrier on campus with todays fans. Folks loved their teams back then and supported them through thick and thin. Coach Graves may not have been the greatest coach but he was fair and compassionate with his players.
All I can say is be careful what you wish for..if Muschamp is gone...then what happens if the next coach falls flat? Look no further than UT as prime example of a program that has been in a deep tailspin for years after Fulmer.
Lets not call him names...it sounds childish, when you don't know someone personally. Has anyone considered what impacts these coaches when terminated? Their families and the families of asst coaches? Fans are so unhappy these days and its a reflection of society I guess. Look at the rant board and as soon as a team loses one damn game they are up in arms and lose two games? Its comical to see posts made about Saban, now Sumlin and now Butch Jones and their job security.
I am not a sagacious person but it is easy to see what has happen with the advent of social media. Ray Graves would have been fired before he ever could have had Spurrier on campus with todays fans. Folks loved their teams back then and supported them through thick and thin. Coach Graves may not have been the greatest coach but he was fair and compassionate with his players.
All I can say is be careful what you wish for..if Muschamp is gone...then what happens if the next coach falls flat? Look no further than UT as prime example of a program that has been in a deep tailspin for years after Fulmer.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:23 am to reel_gator8
I'm not gonna call him names but I'm not gonna feel sorry for someone who is gonna get 7 million dollars when they are fired. If I got that much to get fired, I would take incompetence to a whole new level.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:29 am to olemc999
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I'm not gonna call him names but I'm not gonna feel sorry for someone who is gonna get 7 million dollars when they are fired. If I got that much to get fired, I would take incompetence to a whole new level.
Like crashing the company car into a ditch on a delivery job and being like: Allllright, that's over. Now pay me.
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