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re: The JD era at UF needs to end, now.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 10:05 pm to BasedGator
Posted on 9/23/14 at 10:05 pm to BasedGator
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Straws, what did you think of Brantley?
I think he kind of suffered from the same problem Driskel did -- but I think Driskel has more potential if only for his mobility. Brantley was in the correct system his second year (we're in game three and judging Driskel on performances by a decent Kentucky team who wanted to beat us more than we want to have sex with Scarlett Johanson, and his second game was against Bama in Tuscaloosa against one of the best defenses we will face all year) and Brantley didn't improve.
All I'm saying is let's wait until game five/six before we throw the kid under the bus. If there was even some semblance of an offense, some cohesion, some indication to show me that they were giving their all -- I would change my mind. But if you think the Gators are playing at 110% on offense, you're just plainly not paying attention.
Team's broke, coaching staff is a wreck, quarterback gets no support even when he does things well (like win vs. Kentucky), receivers can't be bothered to play their hearts out, Oline is injured/sucks balls, running backs don't have the air support to get good yards on the ground, Driskel doesn't have the running threat to open up the throw, we don't have our best Tight End on the field (who we're missing badly right now, whether or not he's played enough) and we're under our third offensive coordinator in four years.
I remember everyone saying give Muschamp a chance after going 4 - 8, but can't be bothered to give Driskel four games before we lynch him.
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Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:50 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Ugh...
Posted on 9/29/14 at 12:02 pm to boXerrumble
AlL I can say is wow. Just wow.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 1:31 pm to gatordmb89
He's been awful, but I'm really starting to question if he's just a bad QB, or if there is a systemic problem at florida. Like, if he transferred, would he still be garbage? I'm not so sure.
Ever since Tebow left:
Brantley - Major Hype. Major Bust.
Brissett - Couldn't beat out Driskel, now he's a stud at NC State.
Driskel - Massive Hype. Massive Bust.
And to a degree, Tebow's senior season was really frustrating. We had a plethora of talent, we were really good... and yet we looked like we had no idea what we were doing.
And that is just the QB position. When was the last time we had a player... ANY PLAYER... live up to the hype? Easley maybe? (he got injured before he really proved himself)
This year I once again bought all the hype about Hargreaves and Fowler being the best players in the country at their positions. What a fricking joke. Now, they are both fine players, but neither of them are close to the best player at their position.
I could name a laundry list of huge 5* busts, but it is really hard to find a guy in recent memory who has lived up to his high expectations.
At some point, this goes beyond getting unlucky and you have to call it a problem with the program. You can't possibly swing and miss on so many highly touted recruits.
frick.
Ever since Tebow left:
Brantley - Major Hype. Major Bust.
Brissett - Couldn't beat out Driskel, now he's a stud at NC State.
Driskel - Massive Hype. Massive Bust.
And to a degree, Tebow's senior season was really frustrating. We had a plethora of talent, we were really good... and yet we looked like we had no idea what we were doing.
And that is just the QB position. When was the last time we had a player... ANY PLAYER... live up to the hype? Easley maybe? (he got injured before he really proved himself)
This year I once again bought all the hype about Hargreaves and Fowler being the best players in the country at their positions. What a fricking joke. Now, they are both fine players, but neither of them are close to the best player at their position.
I could name a laundry list of huge 5* busts, but it is really hard to find a guy in recent memory who has lived up to his high expectations.
At some point, this goes beyond getting unlucky and you have to call it a problem with the program. You can't possibly swing and miss on so many highly touted recruits.
frick.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 8:22 pm to broeho
Systematic?
This is a dumbed down scheme that everyone and their mother thought JD would "fit". The problem is JD is just not good.
This is a dumbed down scheme that everyone and their mother thought JD would "fit". The problem is JD is just not good.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 8:36 pm to gatordmb89
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Systematic?
Nah, systemic.
You are prolly right about Driskel. I've just seen such a string of busts recently that I don't even know what's going on at UF.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 9:05 pm to broeho
Well....lets consider what Boom has said about Driskel...that wrs haven't helped him at times and run wrong routes and at times Driskel did miss throws and didn't play as well as he should have.
Theres enough blame sandwich to feed a lot of folks on offense....remember that qb is only one position depending on 10 other guys. You have to realize that he is pulling trigger slower than he should but why? If you were the qb and wrs weren't running the route tree like they should, you would be hesitant to throw too soon and risk getting picked off.
Driskel has so much talent and something has happened mentally to undermine it. What I don't know...but Roper has not been with us long and there are growing pains I guess. His third OC and its easy to let thinking outdo your reactions?
Driskel needs to run more in favorable situations and he needs to loosen up and fire away. Treon should be given a set of plays to enable him to come in and read the defense when we are starting past our 35 yd line....lets see what he can do to help.
Theres enough blame sandwich to feed a lot of folks on offense....remember that qb is only one position depending on 10 other guys. You have to realize that he is pulling trigger slower than he should but why? If you were the qb and wrs weren't running the route tree like they should, you would be hesitant to throw too soon and risk getting picked off.
Driskel has so much talent and something has happened mentally to undermine it. What I don't know...but Roper has not been with us long and there are growing pains I guess. His third OC and its easy to let thinking outdo your reactions?
Driskel needs to run more in favorable situations and he needs to loosen up and fire away. Treon should be given a set of plays to enable him to come in and read the defense when we are starting past our 35 yd line....lets see what he can do to help.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 9:27 pm to reel_gator8
If Treon is more confident than Jeff at this point, just hand the reigns over to Treon and see what happens.
We have seen the same story since the LSU game in 2012. Jeff had his moments against FSU, but otherwise after the LSU game sucked that season.
Last year, he completely fell apart against Miami and lost all confidence.
And this year, he lost everything in the first Q against Alabama.
We have seen the same story since the LSU game in 2012. Jeff had his moments against FSU, but otherwise after the LSU game sucked that season.
Last year, he completely fell apart against Miami and lost all confidence.
And this year, he lost everything in the first Q against Alabama.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 9:57 pm to reel_gator8
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Theres enough blame sandwich to feed a lot of folks on offense....
And we did this exact same shite just last year, and no one seems to be aware of it.
Treon, Treon, Treon.
Murphy, Murphy, Murphy.
It's the exact same thing.
Until our receivers play better, our running backs get more than 60 yards for a game (combined) and our oline actually play worth any kind of damn I'm not going to say Driskel is the problem.
If he had an ounce of help from the offense, I might concede a little ground, but he simply doesn't.
And Saban is an infinitely better coach than Muschamp -- period. We were playing in Tuscaloosa against a mastermind defense strategist with a new offense and a fragile quarterback.
You guys are way too fricking crazy to be taken seriously.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:02 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I'm fine with riding out Driskel to a new HC. Guess that's the way it will play out.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:15 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Until our receivers play better, our running backs get more than 60 yards for a game (combined) and our oline actually play worth any kind of damn I'm not going to say Driskel is the problem.
If he had an ounce of help from the offense, I might concede a little ground, but he simply doesn't.
Dude... Our offensive line didn't give up a single sack to Bama...
I seriously wonder if your just bitching just to bitch.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:26 am to boXerrumble
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Dude... Our offensive line didn't give up a single sack to Bama...
How many times have I said to alleviate pressure, they call a throw before the snap and make Driskel get it out of his hands before the pressure gets there? It's a designed play to ensure that Driskel doesn't get clobbered.
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I seriously wonder if your just bitching just to bitch.
I seriously wonder if you can't read, because I've said this, you've said this, other people have said this.
We wouldn't have to limit his checkdowns and potential passes if our Oline could stop a stiff breeze (which they can't).
The full game is on Youtube, and I'll go ahead and watch it again so I can show you all of the busted assignments by our Oline.
Similarly: Jeff only got sacked twice during the Kentucky game (most quarterbacks get sacked at least twice during a game) -- and we're not going to say they were great during the Kentucky game, right?
I know, I know. You guys want to put the blame on one dude because that's the easiest thing to do at this point, but there are way bigger problems on offense than Driskel exclusively.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:47 pm to gatordmb89
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I'm fine with riding out Driskel to a new HC. Guess that's the way it will play out.
Gators that want the team to fail smh. I don't even understand the logic. It is simply asinine.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 9:23 pm to austingator
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Gators that want the team to fail smh. I don't even understand the logic. It is simply asinine.
Not just the team but Driskel himself -- they would much rather watch him fail than admit they were wrong.
I hope he does well, and if he had adequate support from the team I know he would. Can't have a dude switch from three offensive schemes go into Tuscaloosa while getting constantly berated by everyone and expect him to win there, or even perform well.
It's like they've forgotten that Bama is a pretty damn good team.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 8:00 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I didn't see the pitchforks come out in full force until after the Bama game. He was riding a high with a OT win VS Kentucky where he threw a game tying pass to keep us in the game. And game one our offense was great. Personally I hope my feelings toward Driskel are wrong and I hope he turns it around and we win a lot of games. Last 2 years the complaints were about Muschamp supposedly holding our offense back with his run first, defense wins philosophy.
Are you implying that Driskel lost support from the team if that is the case that describes the kind of leader he is. I would think how the QB play went after he got hurt last year they would be excited to have him back. I do expect him as the 3rd yr JR, the #1 High School QB in his recruiting class with tons of hype to come in and play well against Bama not a win but play well. A QB regardless of how bad you say their receivers and line is should at least make it past the dang 50 yard line once. One thing that worried me about last year when he played is he had 2 td's and 3 picks until he got hurt while having 12 td's and 5 picks the year before. The competition only got better after the Tennessee game. Mornhinweg had 3 td's to 1 pick with a higher completion percentage. If he didn't get hurt I wonder if it would of showed a regression from the prior year.
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I hope he does well, and if he had adequate support from the team I know he would. Can't have a dude switch from three offensive schemes go into Tuscaloosa while getting constantly berated by everyone and expect him to win there, or even perform well.
Are you implying that Driskel lost support from the team if that is the case that describes the kind of leader he is. I would think how the QB play went after he got hurt last year they would be excited to have him back. I do expect him as the 3rd yr JR, the #1 High School QB in his recruiting class with tons of hype to come in and play well against Bama not a win but play well. A QB regardless of how bad you say their receivers and line is should at least make it past the dang 50 yard line once. One thing that worried me about last year when he played is he had 2 td's and 3 picks until he got hurt while having 12 td's and 5 picks the year before. The competition only got better after the Tennessee game. Mornhinweg had 3 td's to 1 pick with a higher completion percentage. If he didn't get hurt I wonder if it would of showed a regression from the prior year.
This post was edited on 10/1/14 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:56 am to gatorbait_007
Driskel is not a great QB but he's also not as bad as people think he is. He had a really bad game at Alabama, but I feel it was an outlier.
He is usually just average - not terrible.
One area that he needs to work on is his leadership though. When the game was close, you did not see Driskel roaming the sidelines talking to his teammates. I wish he could be better at that.
He is usually just average - not terrible.
One area that he needs to work on is his leadership though. When the game was close, you did not see Driskel roaming the sidelines talking to his teammates. I wish he could be better at that.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 9:24 am to slayerxing
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One area that he needs to work on is his leadership though. When the game was close, you did not see Driskel roaming the sidelines talking to his teammates. I wish he could be better at that.
This is what I've noticed as well. In the fourth quarter when the offense was doing so poorly the tv cameras show him sitting on the sidelines smiling talking with an assistant. He looked like the game wasn't even registering with him. Almost like the lights are on but no ones home.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 11:24 am to bengalbait
His biggest weakness IMO, is not his accuracy issues on longer throws (although it is a HUGE weakness). His biggest weakness is his lack of leadership. Easily. I thought it would get better, but it just never has.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 12:24 pm to slayerxing
Leadership has been missing on both sides of the ball since Tebow graduated. I cannot think of a single player that stands out that gets in the others faces and gets the team pumped up. It's all very pedestrian ho hum on the sidelines like que sara sara. That is the recipe for a mediocre team at best.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 5:20 pm to slayerxing
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His biggest weakness IMO, is not his accuracy issues on longer throws (although it is a HUGE weakness). His biggest weakness is his lack of leadership. Easily. I thought it would get better, but it just never has.
Are you sure our coaching is having no impact on leadership? I don't really think Muschamp inspires anyone to do anything, quite frankly.
Yells and pouts, it's all I ever see.
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