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Teams Claiming More National Championships Than They Should (Updated OP)
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:48 am
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:48 am
I saw an Aggie on a different board stating that A&M has 3 national championships. A poster questioned them, so I went back and looked myself. It appears that of their 3 National Championships they claim:
1919 - 2 out of 15 publications named them the National Champion
1927 - 1 out of 10 publications named them the National Champion
1939 - Seems legit because 12 out of 15 publications named them the National Champion
I guess a bunch of SEC teams outside of LSU do this, since we don't claim 1908, 1935 and 1936. This just seems weak and pathetic to me. I know Bama is known for it, but it appears others like A&M are guilty as well.
Maybe somebody with more time can go back and show how many a school claims compared to how many they should claim. I can update this post. (If I get some time throughout the day, I will update myself)
SEC Schools and National Championships:
Texas A&M - Claims 3 - Should Claim 1 (1939)
LSU - Claims 3 - Should Claim 3 (1958, 2003, 2007)
Ole Miss - Claims 3 - Should Claim 1 (1960)
Mississippi St - 0 - 0
Georgia - Claims 5 - Should Claim 2 (1942, 1980)
Tennessee - Claims 6 - Should Claim 3 (1938,1951,1998)
Florida - Claims 3 - Should Claim 3 (19996,2006,2008)
Kentucky - Claims 1 - Should Claim 0
Arkansas - Claims 1 - Should Claim 1 (1964)
Mizzou - 0 - 0
Vanderbilt - 0 - 0
South Carolina - 0 - 0
Auburn - Claims 2 - Should Claim 2 (1957,2010)
Alabama - Claims 15 - Should Claim 10 (1925, 1926, 1961, 1965, 1978, 1979, 1992, 2009, 2011, 2012)
Therefore the rankings of Teams by Championships they should claim is:
1. Alabama - 10
2. LSU - 3
2. Tennessee - 3
2. Florida - 3
5. Georgia - 2
5. Auburn - 2
7. Ole Miss - 1
7. Arkansas - 1
7. Texas A&M - 1
10. Vandy - 0
10. Miss St - 0
10. Mizzou - 0
10. Kentucky - 0
10. South Carolina - 0
1919 - 2 out of 15 publications named them the National Champion
1927 - 1 out of 10 publications named them the National Champion
1939 - Seems legit because 12 out of 15 publications named them the National Champion
I guess a bunch of SEC teams outside of LSU do this, since we don't claim 1908, 1935 and 1936. This just seems weak and pathetic to me. I know Bama is known for it, but it appears others like A&M are guilty as well.
Maybe somebody with more time can go back and show how many a school claims compared to how many they should claim. I can update this post. (If I get some time throughout the day, I will update myself)
SEC Schools and National Championships:
Texas A&M - Claims 3 - Should Claim 1 (1939)
LSU - Claims 3 - Should Claim 3 (1958, 2003, 2007)
Ole Miss - Claims 3 - Should Claim 1 (1960)
Mississippi St - 0 - 0
Georgia - Claims 5 - Should Claim 2 (1942, 1980)
Tennessee - Claims 6 - Should Claim 3 (1938,1951,1998)
Florida - Claims 3 - Should Claim 3 (19996,2006,2008)
Kentucky - Claims 1 - Should Claim 0
Arkansas - Claims 1 - Should Claim 1 (1964)
Mizzou - 0 - 0
Vanderbilt - 0 - 0
South Carolina - 0 - 0
Auburn - Claims 2 - Should Claim 2 (1957,2010)
Alabama - Claims 15 - Should Claim 10 (1925, 1926, 1961, 1965, 1978, 1979, 1992, 2009, 2011, 2012)
Therefore the rankings of Teams by Championships they should claim is:
1. Alabama - 10
2. LSU - 3
2. Tennessee - 3
2. Florida - 3
5. Georgia - 2
5. Auburn - 2
7. Ole Miss - 1
7. Arkansas - 1
7. Texas A&M - 1
10. Vandy - 0
10. Miss St - 0
10. Mizzou - 0
10. Kentucky - 0
10. South Carolina - 0
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 10:26 am
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:49 am to PurpleandGoldmember
We will likely be claiming 2012 soon also. DWI
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:50 am to PurpleandGoldmember
Seems extremely Aggie focused when there are plenty of examples from other schools.
Something on your mind?
Something on your mind?
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:50 am to PurpleandGoldmember
I applaud you for starting this thread and not once mentioning Ole Miss.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:51 am to PurpleandGoldmember
Motherfricker, we have 2 days till football seasons starts and you come in here posting some weak shite like that. 
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:52 am to PurpleandGoldmember
Offseason Board
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:52 am to PurpleandGoldmember
We should just change the standard to "modern national titles" and ignore anything before 1950.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:56 am to PurpleandGoldmember
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I saw an Aggie on a different board
lol you lurk Texags
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:58 am to PurpleandGoldmember
Alabama - Claims 15 - Should Claim 14
No way we can justify 1941. All others were awarded under the system in place at the time..
No way we can justify 1941. All others were awarded under the system in place at the time..
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:59 am to PurpleandGoldmember
Ole Miss- Claims 9, Should have 15
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:59 am to PurpleandGoldmember
Really all depends, different eras had different types of championships, kind of like the nfl before the super bowl, I guess it is really up to what you want to claim for a certain era, in modern day cfb I personally only count the BCS Era
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:01 am to PurpleandGoldmember
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Georgia - Claims 5
No, we don't. I believe some say we COULD claim 5, but no one does.......
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 9:01 am
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:01 am to PurpleandGoldmember
pre wire service nattys are always a bit ambiguous, but bama has 4 undefeated teams that went to the rose bowl. they put southern football on the map, not sure why they count 1941 (dumbest natty to be claimed in the history of nattys) but bama with 14 nattys is legit as it gets. they have 10 modern poll era wire service national titles (ap, coaches)
i dont know why atm counts things the way they do, pretty amazing.
we could actually claim 1908 since we were the majority vote getter, but yeah, unless a team is the majority recipient from the natty services prior to 1936, then they shouldnt count em.
ole miss got screwed pretty bad in the early 60s. i dont blame em for counting 1960 and 62. they cant count 1959, they fd that up themselves, but unfortunately, because they were already int he wire service era and didnt get any wire service nattys, ole miss has officially zero national titles.
i dont know why atm counts things the way they do, pretty amazing.
we could actually claim 1908 since we were the majority vote getter, but yeah, unless a team is the majority recipient from the natty services prior to 1936, then they shouldnt count em.
ole miss got screwed pretty bad in the early 60s. i dont blame em for counting 1960 and 62. they cant count 1959, they fd that up themselves, but unfortunately, because they were already int he wire service era and didnt get any wire service nattys, ole miss has officially zero national titles.
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 9:03 am
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:03 am to PurpleandGoldmember
There is a distinction to be made between "claimed national titles" and "awarded national titles".
In my opinion a school should only recognize titles awarded contemporaneously by well respected, nationally relevant organizations. Otherwise they come off as looking cheap and desperate.
In my opinion a school should only recognize titles awarded contemporaneously by well respected, nationally relevant organizations. Otherwise they come off as looking cheap and desperate.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:04 am to PurpleandGoldmember
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SEC Schools and National Championships:
Texas A&M - Claims 3 - Should Claim 1 (1939)
LSU - Claims 3 - Should Claim 3 (1958, 2003, 2007)
Ole Miss - Claims 3 - Should Claim 1 (1960)
Mississippi St - 0 - 0
Georgia - Claims 5 - Should Claim 2 (1942, 1980)
Auburn- Claims 2-Should Claim 8 (1910, 1913, 1914, 1957, 1958, 1983, 2004 and 2010)
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:05 am to PurpleandGoldmember
Auburn just won the 2004 Natty this year.
Also, several months ago, I claimed 119 National Championships dating back to the late 1800's, for SC. So we are now the most historic program of all time AND I really just did that before Auburn could.
Also, as the OP pointed out, many teams claim Natty's other teams claim the same year, so this shouldn't be an issue.
If all one has to do is look back in time and say, "hey, we're going to claim that year," or base it off of a publication, then that's easy. That thread from a few months ago was my publication, so I'm claiming the SECrant National Championships Poll (no you don't get to vote, only I do.,) and that's my basis on the Natty claims for SC.
Also, several months ago, I claimed 119 National Championships dating back to the late 1800's, for SC. So we are now the most historic program of all time AND I really just did that before Auburn could.
Also, as the OP pointed out, many teams claim Natty's other teams claim the same year, so this shouldn't be an issue.
If all one has to do is look back in time and say, "hey, we're going to claim that year," or base it off of a publication, then that's easy. That thread from a few months ago was my publication, so I'm claiming the SECrant National Championships Poll (no you don't get to vote, only I do.,) and that's my basis on the Natty claims for SC.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:19 am to PurpleandGoldmember
1919 TAMU: Unscored upon. While we scored 275 over the course of the season. Seems legit to me.
We even took it easy on the NCs. 1917 we were also unscored upon and picked in some publications. But had even more points scored.
We even took it easy on the NCs. 1917 we were also unscored upon and picked in some publications. But had even more points scored.
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 9:21 am
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:29 am to PurpleandGoldmember
Tennessee claims 6 but only 2 are recognized by the AP/UPI/BCS.
Michigan is the worst of all though, claim 11 when only 2 are recognized by the major polls. I know people will say "yeah but Alabama" , but 10 of Alabama's 15 are AP/UPI/BCS. They embellish much less than some other schools do.
Michigan is the worst of all though, claim 11 when only 2 are recognized by the major polls. I know people will say "yeah but Alabama" , but 10 of Alabama's 15 are AP/UPI/BCS. They embellish much less than some other schools do.
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 9:33 am
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:35 am to PurpleandGoldmember
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I guess a bunch of SEC teams outside of LSU do this, since we don't claim 1908
LSU should claim 1908
Posted on 8/26/14 at 9:41 am to PurpleandGoldmember
I'm gonna go on the record and surprise people here (especially UT fans). This is what each SEC program should claim:
Alabama 12 (1925 26 61 64 65 73 78 79 92 2009 11 12)
Tennessee 4 (1938 50 51 98)
Florida 3 (1996 2006 08)
LSU 3 (1958 2003 07)
Auburn 2 (1957 2010
Georgia 2 (1942 80)
Arkansas 1 (1964)
Ole Miss 1 (1960)
Texas A&M 1 (1939)
Alabama 12 (1925 26 61 64 65 73 78 79 92 2009 11 12)
Tennessee 4 (1938 50 51 98)
Florida 3 (1996 2006 08)
LSU 3 (1958 2003 07)
Auburn 2 (1957 2010
Georgia 2 (1942 80)
Arkansas 1 (1964)
Ole Miss 1 (1960)
Texas A&M 1 (1939)
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