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re: Dudy Noble Plans to be released this afternoon
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:09 am to UMRealist
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:09 am to UMRealist
Finally! 
That's my fault, I feel like I've just been rambling with my question and everyone just reads it and goes "WTF"?
I think that's the main part of it. It's not that we have more capacity, or that it's newer, it's just the aesthetics. People see upper decks, a bowl, and an outside that flows and it just looks nice.
I think that's what all the bitching is more about.
That's my fault, I feel like I've just been rambling with my question and everyone just reads it and goes "WTF"?
I think that's the main part of it. It's not that we have more capacity, or that it's newer, it's just the aesthetics. People see upper decks, a bowl, and an outside that flows and it just looks nice.
I think that's what all the bitching is more about.
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Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:37 am to UMRealist
To me, it just goes to show the amount of obsession that goes both ways. It's something MSU fans rarely deny, but many OM fans will deny while openly writing diatribes about MSU.
I don't blame them for maximizing the endzone. It's a great idea. It is just, to me, something that should have ideally happened in phase 3 or 4 for you instead of phase 1. It's already the nicest part of the stadium. Why not bring the rest of the place up to that spec -- before raising that spec?
There just seems to be alot of short term thinking on stuff. To me, you need to gut the exteriors, demolish both the rebelclub and press box, and start over on those sides matching the endzone. That would have been phase 1 for me IMO. Now, you are building the basketball arena so close to the press box side that it's yet to be seen what you can do there. You probably have room to renovate/rebuild the press box, but you have zero option for a true future upper deck over there. And while you don't need one right now -- there is certainly no guarantee that you won't in the future...
I don't blame them for maximizing the endzone. It's a great idea. It is just, to me, something that should have ideally happened in phase 3 or 4 for you instead of phase 1. It's already the nicest part of the stadium. Why not bring the rest of the place up to that spec -- before raising that spec?
There just seems to be alot of short term thinking on stuff. To me, you need to gut the exteriors, demolish both the rebelclub and press box, and start over on those sides matching the endzone. That would have been phase 1 for me IMO. Now, you are building the basketball arena so close to the press box side that it's yet to be seen what you can do there. You probably have room to renovate/rebuild the press box, but you have zero option for a true future upper deck over there. And while you don't need one right now -- there is certainly no guarantee that you won't in the future...
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:52 am to engie
I agree with everything you said.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:15 am to engie
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I don't blame them for maximizing the endzone. It's a great idea. It is just, to me, something that should have ideally happened in phase 3 or 4 for you instead of phase 1. It's already the nicest part of the stadium. Why not bring the rest of the place up to that spec -- before raising that spec?
The reasoning was that it would bring in extra revenue without creating a bunch of extra cost, because it is part of the existing structure.
They said that because people keep saying they are having trouble raising the money to do the project that they initially released with the expansion of the NEZ to match the SEZ. I don't see how y'all are having trouble raising funds, I mean that's supposed to be y'alls shite right?
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:19 am to DynastyDawg
Yeah suppose to be. I've heard rumors of some donors backing out bc they don't like the way the University is being run from the top at the moment but who knows. Also we are having this huge influx of additional revenue every year with the sec network and I'm not sure what they are planning on doing with that.
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 11:24 am
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:23 am to DynastyDawg
That looks frickin' awesome.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:05 pm to DynastyDawg
I get all of this as their "reasoning" -- it just doesn't make too much sense to me. Even though it is "logical", it's still a small-minded approach IMO...and it's just so far from what they were initially promised that it's hard to get excited for.
They used fundraising as the delay initially for the basketball arena -- then they bonded $80mil to make it happen once they had a reasonable guarantee on the PSL's for the next 4 years. My point is -- the premium part of these expansions aren't charity cases -- they pay for themselves and make the university a killing in the longterm and interest rates are at an all-time low. As such, they are worthy of borrowing on the front end to build to whatever extent that you are sure you can fill. And if there's one place to overbuild, it's in skyboxes and clubs where it's never "obvious" on camera when they aren't filled.
The demand OM has long alleged for skyboxes will not be met with the ones they are building in the endzone(already all sold out allegedly). Just seems like it would have been a golden opportunity to go ahead and level the press box, build out a level, and bring the premium part of the endzone all the way down around that side -- while adding the SRO concourse at the bottom of that endzone to that side and essentially having a 180* concourse on it's way to being a 360* concourse in the future and thus raising the hell out of your potential big game capacity without adding any actual non-premium seats. So, instead of adding 20 something skyboxes, you add 50 something -- put in a state-of-the-art press box -- match it to your beautiful endzone -- and have half the stadium matching both inside and out. That should be enough to wipe their premium demand currently(which, they are severely underbuilt for right now). Then you eventually do the same to the Rebel Club around the other side when the demand is there.
You hold off on the other endzone until you are ready to level the Starnes building and match it to the rest of the stadium... IMO...
They used fundraising as the delay initially for the basketball arena -- then they bonded $80mil to make it happen once they had a reasonable guarantee on the PSL's for the next 4 years. My point is -- the premium part of these expansions aren't charity cases -- they pay for themselves and make the university a killing in the longterm and interest rates are at an all-time low. As such, they are worthy of borrowing on the front end to build to whatever extent that you are sure you can fill. And if there's one place to overbuild, it's in skyboxes and clubs where it's never "obvious" on camera when they aren't filled.
The demand OM has long alleged for skyboxes will not be met with the ones they are building in the endzone(already all sold out allegedly). Just seems like it would have been a golden opportunity to go ahead and level the press box, build out a level, and bring the premium part of the endzone all the way down around that side -- while adding the SRO concourse at the bottom of that endzone to that side and essentially having a 180* concourse on it's way to being a 360* concourse in the future and thus raising the hell out of your potential big game capacity without adding any actual non-premium seats. So, instead of adding 20 something skyboxes, you add 50 something -- put in a state-of-the-art press box -- match it to your beautiful endzone -- and have half the stadium matching both inside and out. That should be enough to wipe their premium demand currently(which, they are severely underbuilt for right now). Then you eventually do the same to the Rebel Club around the other side when the demand is there.
You hold off on the other endzone until you are ready to level the Starnes building and match it to the rest of the stadium... IMO...
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:25 pm to DynastyDawg
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Why not go up on the sides before putting anything in the Endzone in, what was it, late 80's?
Because it's stupid.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 6:11 pm to engie
Like I said before, i agree with everything you've said. I'm not totally sure what's going on but it's not like I have any control over it.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 9:06 pm to UMRealist
I hear you...
Spent years feeling like we had no voice about MSU happenings -- but Stricklin seems to actually listen and try to appease the masses. That's what is so amazing about this baseball rendering -- I haven't seen a single lounger/lifetime ticket holder that is truly, actually pissed off about it. Even the really outspoken ones seem to be mostly on board. Really, really hard to appease everyone as they seem to have done here. Then again, I guess if you give enough of a wow factor, maybe everyone just falls in line...
Spent years feeling like we had no voice about MSU happenings -- but Stricklin seems to actually listen and try to appease the masses. That's what is so amazing about this baseball rendering -- I haven't seen a single lounger/lifetime ticket holder that is truly, actually pissed off about it. Even the really outspoken ones seem to be mostly on board. Really, really hard to appease everyone as they seem to have done here. Then again, I guess if you give enough of a wow factor, maybe everyone just falls in line...
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:31 am to engie
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Then again, I guess if you give enough of a wow factor, maybe everyone just falls in line.
Pretty fricking good wow factor, too.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:37 am to bamafan425
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Pretty fricking good wow factor, too.
Yeah, I'd say so.Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:47 am to engie
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Then again, I guess if you give enough of a wow factor, maybe everyone just falls in line...
The only negative that I have heard is from people worried about the limited number of apartments and that may just be noise. I don't know how many people will actually pull the trigger.
When I made my suggestions about the football upgrades, I wanted similar apts built into what they were doing on the north end. I still think it would be badass to redo the Seal building with new locker rooms on the bottom, apts with viewing decks on the next few levels, and then the M Club on the top floor. The video board would need to be redone in the process, but it would be unique in all of football and would give you a bowl.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:56 am to Allyn McKeen
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The only negative that I have heard is from people worried about the limited number of apartments and that may just be noise. I don't know how many people will actually pull the trigger.
Strick has said a few times that the number of premium opportunities is not set in stone yet and that it could/would go up or down depending on demand.
Which I actually love, because I'm pretty sure we need more than 25 skyboxes in the stadium and more than 49 overall. Depending on pricing, I wouldn't be surprised to see 70 or so in the end...
Posted on 8/14/14 at 11:51 am to Allyn McKeen
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The only negative that I have heard is from people worried about the limited number of apartments and that may just be noise
well looking at those plans, there's room to stretch those down which I would assume was discussed in the planning process. If the demand is there, they will build it.
I've always thought about adding the rooms/apts to the seal bldg also being tied to the Alumni/guest housing. Tear down Butler.
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 11:57 am
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