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re: 247 ranks the SEC HCs
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:45 am to heartbreakTiger
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:45 am to heartbreakTiger
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ga. southern.
HAIL SOUTHERN!!!!!!
They drained that Swamp!
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:46 am to heartbreakTiger
Will doesn't coach offense. I'm willing to see what Roper can do.
You don't look at it as closely as we do. Roper took a big chance to come here. He could be gone after one year. He obviously believes in himself and his abilities to turn the UF offense around. He must have saw athletes here now and future recruiting promise that would lead him to believe he could get the job done here.
The defense suffered last year because the offense couldn't stay on the field. I don't have any doubts about Boom and the defense. Sooooo, he doesn't coach offense, he's good with defense, assumption that Roper can get it done leads to RG is OK with one more year. That's it though.
He has to win 8 games and the offense has to show significant improvement. If not, sadly, he'll be a DC in the SEC somewhere else more than likely which will suck.
Our schedule is tough though so I have some reservations about 8 wins unless the offense gets it together.
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What happens if UF goes 11-2 this year so that 2 out of the last 3 years he's done that. Is that just an anomaly or is he now a good coach? That's the problem he'll face. Folks will bash him for 4-8 but claim 11-2 was just lucky.
That argument will be made here over and over again if it should happen.
You don't look at it as closely as we do. Roper took a big chance to come here. He could be gone after one year. He obviously believes in himself and his abilities to turn the UF offense around. He must have saw athletes here now and future recruiting promise that would lead him to believe he could get the job done here.
The defense suffered last year because the offense couldn't stay on the field. I don't have any doubts about Boom and the defense. Sooooo, he doesn't coach offense, he's good with defense, assumption that Roper can get it done leads to RG is OK with one more year. That's it though.
He has to win 8 games and the offense has to show significant improvement. If not, sadly, he'll be a DC in the SEC somewhere else more than likely which will suck.
Our schedule is tough though so I have some reservations about 8 wins unless the offense gets it together.
ETA:
What happens if UF goes 11-2 this year so that 2 out of the last 3 years he's done that. Is that just an anomaly or is he now a good coach? That's the problem he'll face. Folks will bash him for 4-8 but claim 11-2 was just lucky.
That argument will be made here over and over again if it should happen.
This post was edited on 7/29/14 at 10:58 am
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:46 am to beaver
I don't even pay attention to these types of lists anymore when it comes to Les. He'll continue to do some dumb shite every year but you'll look up in November and see that LSU is still in the West/SEC race. I've learned to embrace it.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:50 am to LSUdm21
quote:Not after the first week of November for the past two seasons.
but you'll look up in November and see that LSU is still in the West/SEC race.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:50 am to beaver
No way Spurrier and Malzahn should be ranked ahead of Miles till they beat him....he has owned both of their asses. Besides that....list looks right.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:52 am to NorthGwinnett LSU
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Pretty sure LES was the only SEC coach to beat Malzahn last year just sayin!
And LSU lost to Ole Miss. Does that make Freeze a better coach than Les? What about Dabo a couple years ago?
The book is still out on Gus but this
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Folks around college football believe that Malzahn is an offensive genius who- similar to when Spurrier arrived at Florida in 1990- is revolutionizing the league.
is one of the reasons for his ranking. A lot of people around the nation believe Gus is only getting better and is overall a better coach
He's had one season with a team that went 3-9 the previous season. This year is the first year ever he has a returning starting QB. Could be scary having Gus in complete control and experience at the QB position in that offense
I'm not saying he WILL be better than Les over the long haul, but right now many seem to think he will
This post was edited on 7/29/14 at 10:53 am
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:55 am to beaver
Disagree with Gus's rank. He's going to be good but he's not proven to be better than Miles or Richt.
Top 5:
1. Nick Saban
2. Steve Spurrier
3. Les Miles
4. Mark Richt
5. Gus or Sumlin , not sure which one of the two I would hire over the other if I was an AD.
Top 5:
1. Nick Saban
2. Steve Spurrier
3. Les Miles
4. Mark Richt
5. Gus or Sumlin , not sure which one of the two I would hire over the other if I was an AD.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:58 am to beaver
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And LSU lost to Ole Miss. Does that make Freeze a better coach than Les? What about Dabo a couple years ago?
where did I say that?
I am not saying he isn't a better coach but maybe have him perform for more than one year before ranking him ahead of a coach that was the ONLY coach to beat him last year.
I think he is a great coach don't get me wrong just saying let's see him have some sustained success before ranking him ahead of Les and Mark Richt both coaches who avg 10 wins a year since being in the SEC.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:59 am to spacewrangler
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spacewrangler
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He will not get Au to anywhere close to a national title and he will not get Au to higher than 3rd in the west. Bama, LSU and A & M will all be higher rated than Au while he's at Au. Heck Ark/Ole Miss/MSSt all will be as good if not better coached teams. Au will be lucky to sniff a 3rd in the west for the next 3 years.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 11:03 am to joeyb147
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spacewrangler
if at first you don't succeed, dust yourself off and try again
Posted on 7/29/14 at 11:06 am to spacewrangler
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4. Mark Richt
5. Gus or Sumlin
Gus has the same number of wins over Top 10 teams as Richt in the last 5 years as a HC(and more than Sumlin)....and Gus has not been a HC for 5 years yet.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 11:39 am to NorthGwinnett LSU
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Pretty sure LES was the only SEC coach to beat Malzahn last year just sayin!
Give Malzahn a few more years. Auburn hadn't developed their identity until the second half of the LSU game. Besides, in 1 season Malzahn already has half as many national championship appearances and SEC titles as Miles has acquired in 9.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 11:49 am to heartbreakTiger
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I know y'all were ravaged by injuries but y'all are a big 6 school. You shouldn't be losing to ga. southern. if y'all were the uf's pre90s then i could see why you would be ok with that but UF should never lose that game. I wouldn't be behind keeping a LSU coach that lost to a team that isn't in the same division as us.
So, Bama fans should want $aban fired since he lost to ULM?
Posted on 7/29/14 at 11:49 am to Cumulonimbus
who you would want as your HC is a different question than how the HCs in the SEC rank... it's perfectly fine to rank Les ahead of Gus (based on accomplishments/longevity/etc), but still think gus is the better coach.
malzahn just has to prove it... and he'll be doing it a place that has fewer built-in advantages than LSU, who could sleep walk to a top 10 recruiting class every year.
malzahn just has to prove it... and he'll be doing it a place that has fewer built-in advantages than LSU, who could sleep walk to a top 10 recruiting class every year.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 11:55 am to lowspark12
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but still think gus is the better coach.
Of course you do. Let's see how Gus's teams handle expectations, and how consistent they can be.
Rankings like this are so stupid though. Gus appears to be the right coach for Auburn, Les is right for LSU.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 11:56 am to lowspark12
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who you would want as your HC is a different question than how the HCs in the SEC rank... it's perfectly fine to rank Les ahead of Gus (based on accomplishments/longevity/etc), but still think gus is the better coach.
malzahn just has to prove it... and he'll be doing it a place that has fewer built-in advantages than LSU, who could sleep walk to a top 10 recruiting class every year.
This is true. I was just pointing out that there's nothing wrong with having Malzahn ahead of Miles. I think Malzahn can have more success than Miles. He already has half as many SEC Championships and national championship appearances as Miles in 8 less years. Auburn defeated 2 top 10 teams and gave the national champions a run for their money, and their is still room for much improvement. To top it off, Malzahn defeated Alabama in his first season as head of an SEC program. Alabama was the top dog in the West, and Malzahn's offense mathches up better against a Saban defense than LSU's. Unless Saban comes up with an answer, I wouldn't be surprised to see Malzahn win more games against Saban than Miles.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 12:02 pm to Cumulonimbus
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Malzahn win more games against Saban than Miles.
So this is the indicator of coach rankings? How many times you beat Saban?
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To top it off, Malzahn defeated Alabama in his first season as head of an SEC program.
So did Sumlin.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 12:06 pm to NorthGwinnett LSU
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Pretty sure LES was the only SEC coach to beat Malzahn last year just sayin!
I'm fine with saying Malzahn needs more time to prove to be ranked over Miles and Richt but if that's your only argument it's pretty weak.
It was in BR and Gus was like 3 games in coaching a team coming off one of the worst seasons in SEC history vs. a team loaded with talent and experience in virtually every position at home.
What Malzahn has done in 1 year of being an SEC head coach is more impressive than any season Miles has put together in 10.
This post was edited on 7/29/14 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 7/29/14 at 12:08 pm to RandySavage
Miles ahead of Gus is fine with me as long as Gus is ahead of Ricth.
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