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re: Why Do Tenn Fans Hate Dooley So Much?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:23 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:23 pm to hawgfaninc
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We just didn't realize how shitty petrinos recruiting and player retention was
really? because it was pretty obvious to everyone else.
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Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:24 pm to volfan30
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The AD who hired him was fired before his second season fwiw.
Because of Kiffin and Dooley?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:25 pm to volfan30
Cuonzo got a bad rap at Tennessee. He wasn't as good as Pearl but Donny fricking Tyndall sure as hell won't be either. Pearl was the right fit at the right time and I don't think the Vols are going to catch lightning in a bottle like that again soon
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:25 pm to hawgfaninc
You are not going to get many on the record type stories, but I will try to round some of the best ones up that I can find on message boards.
There was a great radio show last year called
Derek Dooley: Tell Me A Story
But the archive goes to a 404.
On the show people who had personal interactions with him called in and told stories. Most of them just show how anal and elitist he is.
There was a great radio show last year called
Derek Dooley: Tell Me A Story
But the archive goes to a 404.
On the show people who had personal interactions with him called in and told stories. Most of them just show how anal and elitist he is.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:27 pm to StarBurns
Cuonzo was horrendous. Had two NBA players gift wrapped to him by Pearl throughout his tenure and nearly missed the NCAA tournament all 3 seasons with them.
More importantly he recruited at a shite tier level which you will unfortunately see this season.
Tennessee got very lucky to get rid of him. Tyndall is recruiting at a much higher level than Cuonzo did.
More importantly he recruited at a shite tier level which you will unfortunately see this season.
Tennessee got very lucky to get rid of him. Tyndall is recruiting at a much higher level than Cuonzo did.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:29 pm to cardboardboxer
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Because of Kiffin and Dooley?
Yes and there were open NCAA investigations in football and basketball.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:30 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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really? because it was pretty obvious to everyone else.
Eh we saw it. Just hoped it wasn't as bad as we feared.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:31 pm to cardboardboxer
It's not so much related to his expectations coming to Tennessee. The hatred is more related to how much he sabotaged the program while he was here without anybody either realizing or being smart enough to stop it. He had a losing attitude, he was arrogant, he refused to recruit in Tennessee (thereby alienating most high school coaches in tn), he made terrible in game decisions (for example mizz in 2013, kneed the ball to go to OT when he had a record setting offense on the field And one of the worst defenses in history), he let Tyler bray and darick mouth off to him in front of other players, he made terrible scheme decisions (switch to a 3-4 in a pivotal season with a first time DC and incorrect personnel), he made terrible recruiting decisions (didn't recruit a single o lineman in one class despite having a line full of graduating seniors), he wore the orange pants without earning them, he alienated former players (eliminated the open door policy and made them schedule appointments to come visit, often declining their requests), he's not a blue blood Tennessee guy who we were used to having (ie fulmer), his teams were not disciplined (see LSU '10 when we had too many men on the field, also we could always expect 3-5 penalties a game because guys didn't know where to line up), he was not inspiring or motivational at all (before our kicker went out for fgs, Dooley would tell him "don't screw this up"), and that's just a list I can come up with off the top of my head. He was not a good coach, it really is amazing how blind you can be as a fan sometimes. Especially when you convince yourself that he's the guy to turn your program back around.
After the kiffin thing, nobody wanted to come here, the roster was in shambles and the gap between the ad and the administration was dysfunctional. We settled on Dooley, and convinced ourselves that, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that he would hit his stride at UT. We were obviously wrong to have high expectations for him coming in, but it's how he treated the program while he was here that is really the cause for our hatred.
After the kiffin thing, nobody wanted to come here, the roster was in shambles and the gap between the ad and the administration was dysfunctional. We settled on Dooley, and convinced ourselves that, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that he would hit his stride at UT. We were obviously wrong to have high expectations for him coming in, but it's how he treated the program while he was here that is really the cause for our hatred.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:31 pm to volfan30
OK that explains a lot.
Only thing I can't understand then is why Dooley got a third year when he took a step back year 2?
Only thing I can't understand then is why Dooley got a third year when he took a step back year 2?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:34 pm to Draconian Sanctions
One story I heard first hand
2012 College Gameday came to Knoxville for Tennessee/Florida. VOLS are ranked for the first time in 4 years, soldout crowd, etc.
VOLS lead in the 3rd qtr, but shite the bed down the stretch and get blown out. No surprise to anyone who followed Dooleyball.
After the game, Dooley returns to the locker room, fulfills his media obligations, etc. First thing he does after he finishes his radio show is heas back out to the field where the grounds crew is cleaning everything up.
He proceeds to absolutely flip his shite because he noticed during the game that the benches on the visitors sideline were set up differently than Tennessee's benches.
He demanded to know who was in charge of setting up the benches and showed them exactly how he wanted them set up the next week.
Very weird shite.
2012 College Gameday came to Knoxville for Tennessee/Florida. VOLS are ranked for the first time in 4 years, soldout crowd, etc.
VOLS lead in the 3rd qtr, but shite the bed down the stretch and get blown out. No surprise to anyone who followed Dooleyball.
After the game, Dooley returns to the locker room, fulfills his media obligations, etc. First thing he does after he finishes his radio show is heas back out to the field where the grounds crew is cleaning everything up.
He proceeds to absolutely flip his shite because he noticed during the game that the benches on the visitors sideline were set up differently than Tennessee's benches.
He demanded to know who was in charge of setting up the benches and showed them exactly how he wanted them set up the next week.
Very weird shite.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:36 pm to volfan30
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On the show people who had personal interactions with him called in and told stories. Most of them just show how anal and elitist he is.
Anal and elitist =/= shitty human being
Also you're going take what some person who calls into a radio show as 100% fact? lol
I'm going to need better evidence that Dooley was a shitty human being
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:37 pm to VFL1800FPD
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he refused to recruit in Tennessee
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Here is a good article about this.
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"You would think [the UT coaches] would make a special point to come here every year, at least to check in, but we didn't hear from them at all," said Calhoun (Ga.) coach Hal Lamb, whose program has had at least one player sign with an FBS program each of the last four years. "The two staffs before, even if we didn't have a kid at the time, they took time to build the relationship for the future for when you did have a kid that they would want.
"We got a call from a grad assistant, but I didn't know who on their actual staff recruited our area because I didn't hear from them. That's amazing to me."
Each of those coaches admitted, however, that they would not hold a grudge against the program and would welcome the new head coach and staff to begin building a better relationship.
The current class that Dooley has put together ranks outside the top 10 in the league by every major recruiting service. While there is only a handful of FBS-level talent in the Chattanooga area this season, the biggest complaint is the lack of communication that was built for the future, when a program does have an SEC-caliber player.
"If Derek Dooley had stayed as their coach, I would've had a hard time advising any player to go there," current Hixson and former Rhea County coach Jason Fitzgerald said this past week. "That staff didn't follow up or return calls, and really I had no idea who even recruits our area for UT because I've never had one of their coaches come through my door.
"I can tell you who recruits our school for Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss, Missouri and even Tennessee Tech, because I have personally seen them here and get phone calls and emails from those schools and others," added Fitzgerald, who played in the SEC at Auburn. "The only thing I ever heard from UT since Dooley was there was to advertise their camp and tell me how much it would cost."
The lack-of-communication complaint was echoed by all 37 coaches who responded to the poll, and each said the staffs under former coaches Phillip Fulmer and Lane Kiffin seemed to care more about building a working relationship.
"To be honest, a lot of high school coaches in the state felt like Derek came across as arrogant," Fitzgerald added. "We talked about that at coaches' meetings around the state for several years, actually. It wasn't just in the Chattanooga area; it was coaches all over the state. Derek is highly intelligent, but it just came off as him proving how smart he is when he talks. He just has no people skills."
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:39 pm to cardboardboxer
I think we were scared to have 3 coaches in 4 years, not to mention his buyout was huge (Dooley was a lawyer and negotiated his own contract and put a golden parachute in it, another dick move). We didn't get worse from year one to year two, but we didn't get better either, so there was no real reason to fire him, at least not enough reason to justify the cost. By that point, I think we were looking at it this way: "well he came into a bad roster situation, and year three is when he'll finally have his players in place to run his scheme. It's expensive to fire him, and the situation here at UT isn't exactly attractive, and we doubt we could lure a big time guy in here, especially cause were still paying pearl and fulmer. Give him one more year to prove if he can actually coach with his players on the field"
But by that point, the It was mainly financial reasoning that we held onto him. His approval rate among the fan base was falling fast, especially after UK
But by that point, the It was mainly financial reasoning that we held onto him. His approval rate among the fan base was falling fast, especially after UK
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:40 pm to volfan30
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After the game, Dooley returns to the locker room, fulfills his media obligations, etc. First thing he does after he finishes his radio show is heas back out to the field where the grounds crew is cleaning everything up.
He proceeds to absolutely flip his shite because he noticed during the game that the benches on the visitors sideline were set up differently than Tennessee's benches.
He demanded to know who was in charge of setting up the benches and showed them exactly how he wanted them set up the next week.
Very weird shite.
Indeed very weird. But that doesn't make him a shitty human being
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:41 pm to hawgfaninc
When you treat our beloved program like he did, it doesn't matter if you've never committed a sin, you're regarded as a shitty human being by the Vol faithful
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:42 pm to hawgfaninc
Like I said, there are stories about how he treated support staff in the facility that I will try to dig up.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:45 pm to volfan30
I remember when that recruiting article came out. One of the most damning things I have ever read, just blatant incompetence and apathy.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:45 pm to VFL1800FPD
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:46 pm to VFL1800FPD
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Especially when you convince yourself that he's the guy to turn your program back around.
There is the core of my question: how did y'all do that?
I mean, the only experience I have to compare it to is my own. Neither myself nor any Aggie I knew IRL ever thought Sherm could win championships. In fact we got way more out of him than I ever thought we would.
What was that nugget of info, that glimmer of fact, that circulated the Tenn board before his first and second season that y'all clung to?
Because I remember as a non-SEC fan thinking after the hire "I knew they got told no a lot, but 4 wins at Lousiana Tech? How did they even find this guy to interview him?"
The whole affair is strange. It is like a billionaire fricking a transvestite and not knowing it.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:47 pm to OBReb6
Derek Dooley never attended a single HS football game while he was the head coach at Tennessee.
Vonn Bell was a 5* safety from Chattanooga in the 2013 class who grew up a Tennessee fan, Derek Dooley never visited him or spoke to him on the phone.
Just very, very strange.
Vonn Bell was a 5* safety from Chattanooga in the 2013 class who grew up a Tennessee fan, Derek Dooley never visited him or spoke to him on the phone.
Just very, very strange.
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