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re: Does anyone actually believe this
Posted on 7/6/14 at 7:53 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 7/6/14 at 7:53 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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The only writer that's historical is Edit: Paul (Sorry), I think (And that one is a long shot).
You are correct, I used the wrong word, repudiate.
I shouldn't type in a hurry. There are several authors included in the Bible, as well as writing from others during the 1st century.
Tacitus, Josephus, Pliny the Younger, Lucian, and the Babylonian Talmud all speak of the evidence and teachings of Jesus, and they were not Christians. But they did know the Truth.
As far as showing you something of merit, there is plenty of physical evidence around today of Jesus existence and the world during His day. It really all boils down to what you or I choose to believe, doesn't it?
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Posted on 7/6/14 at 8:04 pm to kywildcatfanone
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You are correct, I used the wrong word, repudiate. I shouldn't type in a hurry.
No worries -- I wasn't being condescending either I just wanted to make sure that I was tracking.
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There are several authors included in the Bible, as well as writing from others during the 1st century.
I touched on Mark, Matthew, Luke and John below, and will touch on others if necessary. (In a response to Stacked.)
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Tacitus
Tacitus doesn't refer to Jesus as a wise teacher, he explains in great detail how they slaughtered the Christians. He wrote that in 116 AD (almost 100 years after Christ had died) and he was born 25 years after Jesus had died. So, he did not witness anything and is only reporting secondhand information.
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Josephus
We touched on this one already and I'll summarize it for easier reading: The text had been changed, altered and augmented several times and was transcribed by early Christians. Josephus, similarly, was born after Jesus had died and didn't bother to write about him until something like 60 years after he died. Also not a direct witness.
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Pliny
We run into a similar problem. His account is mostly about the Christians, nothing to do with Christ. His letter basically outlines the rapid growth of Christianity. Yet again, not another contemporary witness and only going off of what he's been hearing.
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Lucian
Was born almost 100 years after Jesus had died. Not a contemporary witness and did not speak of Christians fondly at all.
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Babylonian Talmud
Eh, I wouldn't quote that one. It mentions that Jesus was a heretic and hung, not crucified.
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As far as showing you something of merit, there is plenty of physical evidence around today of Jesus existence and the world during His day. It really all boils down to what you or I choose to believe, doesn't it?
If I feel something powerful, you will be the first to know, I promise. At this moment I can't bring myself to believe, but will remain with open mind and heart.
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