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"Arkansas can't out-Bama Bama or out-Lsu Lsu"
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:02 am
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:02 am
I was just watching College Football Live and they were talking about this, and it's been beaten to death ever since Bielema got here. I'm just curious why people think we should have to beat those two teams every year to be successful.
Posters who believe that Arkansas can't be successful playing the same style as Bama and Lsu, why do you believe this and why do you think it matters?
Posters who believe that Arkansas can't be successful playing the same style as Bama and Lsu, why do you believe this and why do you think it matters?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:03 am to Stonehog
Yea with Auburn and Alabama doing what they are, it won't matter what style you play.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:04 am to Stonehog
Just beating someone would be a start.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:05 am to Stonehog
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Posters who believe that Arkansas can't be successful playing the same style as Bama and Lsu, why do you believe this and why do you think it matters?
It's pretty obvious that statement isn't true about LSU so I'm not really sure why they're included in that statement.
We couldn't beat Bama with the best passing game in the SEC either so I don't really think they're going to be our measuring stick.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:06 am to Stonehog
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I'm just curious why people think we should have to beat those two teams every year to be successful.
Depends on your definition of success.
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Posters who believe that Arkansas can't be successful playing the same style as Bama and Lsu, why do you believe this and why do you think it matters?
Because LSU and Bama have better coaching and recruit at a level Arkansas never could regardless of success.
Arkansas' biggest problem is that without Texas and Missouri to feed them players anymore, they cant recruit for dick. There just isnt a lot of talent in Arkansas and what little there is is often swept up by other programs.
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 12:08 am
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:07 am to Stonehog
I think Arkansas can be successful playing the same style as Bama and LSU. I just think that unless there's some recruiting revolution at Arky, there will always be a significant talent differential which will cause Arkansas to lose against Bama and LSU most years. But that is NOT to say that you can't be successful over-all. Sometimes being the SEC West is a curse because it's so competitive.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:09 am to Stonehog
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"Arkansas can't out-any school from the SEC"
FIFY
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:45 am to Stonehog
I didn't see the clip, but I think it's more on the lines of you can't beat them with power running style football. They can run it because of their players and the rest of us don't have that type of talent. I love the power I. But in today's game, you can't run it without elite talent.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:30 am to Stonehog
But can Bert out-Fran Fran?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 6:45 am to Stonehog
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Posters who believe that Arkansas can't be successful playing the same style as Bama and Lsu, why do you believe this and why do you think it matters?
Because if you can't beat those teams you won't ever win the SEC?
Heck even when Arky has beaten those teams they couldn't win the SEC...
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:21 am to Stonehog
You will try to play smash mouth run-first offense.
LSU and Bama have 10x the talent and 10x the defense and play a similar style.
Petrino was successful because he played a completely different style that offset much of the talent disparity.
LSU and Bama have 10x the talent and 10x the defense and play a similar style.
Petrino was successful because he played a completely different style that offset much of the talent disparity.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:28 am to Stonehog
From 2006-2012, 7 seasons, at Wisconsin he fielded 2 defenses in the top 25 I believe (maybe top 20 can't remember).
And he started as a defensive coordinator. To beat LSU and Bama at their own game you need a monster defense and as much talent on offense.
You have neither.
Not saying you won't get it, but the recruiting will be much tougher.
And he started as a defensive coordinator. To beat LSU and Bama at their own game you need a monster defense and as much talent on offense.
You have neither.
Not saying you won't get it, but the recruiting will be much tougher.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:15 am to Stonehog
1. As competitive as the West is, Arkansas will need to beat Bama or LSU, sometimes both, to ever go to Atlanta again, if that is your goal.
2. If you run the exact same style as Bama/LSU, you need the same style of players. Bama/LSU will always cherry pick the best recruits who fit the system Arky is trying to run.
3. Texas is loaded with high end spread style recruits who are currently choosing teams like Baylor. Arkansas could tap into that 7 on 7 circuit more if it ran an exciting offense.
If you define success as somewhere around what Mullen has done at MSU, you guys will be happy with BB.
2. If you run the exact same style as Bama/LSU, you need the same style of players. Bama/LSU will always cherry pick the best recruits who fit the system Arky is trying to run.
3. Texas is loaded with high end spread style recruits who are currently choosing teams like Baylor. Arkansas could tap into that 7 on 7 circuit more if it ran an exciting offense.
If you define success as somewhere around what Mullen has done at MSU, you guys will be happy with BB.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:18 am to Stonehog
I think Bielema to Arkansas will ultimately prove fine, but I don't think it makes a ton of sense for Arkansas specifically.
My reasoning is that in comparing someone like Sumlin/Gus to Bielema, you're going to get better, faster results from Sumlin/Gus. Ultimately Bielema may catch up in quality, but I don't think there is any reason to believe they'll go beyond what Sumlin or Gus will accomplish, especially considering Arkansas will always be at very best 3/4 in the west in recruiting.
So what is the benefit to going that route right now? At some point in the future these offensive minded coaches may sputter as a trend, but I don't see it happening soon.
My reasoning is that in comparing someone like Sumlin/Gus to Bielema, you're going to get better, faster results from Sumlin/Gus. Ultimately Bielema may catch up in quality, but I don't think there is any reason to believe they'll go beyond what Sumlin or Gus will accomplish, especially considering Arkansas will always be at very best 3/4 in the west in recruiting.
So what is the benefit to going that route right now? At some point in the future these offensive minded coaches may sputter as a trend, but I don't see it happening soon.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:45 am to Stonehog
Reality really stings...doesn't it stone-head..lol at the 0:8 SEC swine !
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:02 pm to Stonehog
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Posters who believe that Arkansas can't be successful playing the same style as Bama and Lsu, why do you believe this and why do you think it matters?
I think they can be successful enough.
That being said I place like Arkansas with weak or no in-state recruiting needs a unique offense to set them ahead. Instead what they have is a run heavy pro style Offense that isn't nearly as good as Bama's, LSU's, Florida's, or UGA's.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:04 pm to Stonehog
On a continual basis, I don't believe Arkansas can out-Bama Bama or out-LSU LSU.
Ya get a Darren McFadden, Felix Jones and Peyton Hillis in the backfield and then, yeah Arkansas can match Bama and LSU.
But, when is Arkansas gonna load up an offensive line and a backfield like that again? Is Beliema recruiting, and signing, those type players?
He still gets credit for the lines he put together at Wisky, but he's just started at Arkansas and, no matter how many former Badger/NFL players you put on a promotional piece, there still is no guarantee that what worked at Wisky will work at Arky.
With the recruits Arkansas has gotten in the past, they set up on a five year cycle. Roster gets loaded with experienced seniors and they get good. Graduation/NFL hit and they go back down and start over again.
Can Beliema even continue this? Petrino's pecker knocked everything off track at Arkansas. Will Beliema return to this pattern or improve it?
I do think shifting the LSU game into mid-season will be a significant change for this series. This game has been so crazy and unreliable. I would expect a different approach with it moving from the last game.
Ya get a Darren McFadden, Felix Jones and Peyton Hillis in the backfield and then, yeah Arkansas can match Bama and LSU.
But, when is Arkansas gonna load up an offensive line and a backfield like that again? Is Beliema recruiting, and signing, those type players?
He still gets credit for the lines he put together at Wisky, but he's just started at Arkansas and, no matter how many former Badger/NFL players you put on a promotional piece, there still is no guarantee that what worked at Wisky will work at Arky.
With the recruits Arkansas has gotten in the past, they set up on a five year cycle. Roster gets loaded with experienced seniors and they get good. Graduation/NFL hit and they go back down and start over again.
Can Beliema even continue this? Petrino's pecker knocked everything off track at Arkansas. Will Beliema return to this pattern or improve it?
I do think shifting the LSU game into mid-season will be a significant change for this series. This game has been so crazy and unreliable. I would expect a different approach with it moving from the last game.
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 5/30/14 at 5:48 pm to Stonehog
Houston Nutt and Darren McFadden are giggling at this thread.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 6:10 pm to Stonehog
So running a smash mouth offense against two of the teams in the country that run it the best. You don't think you'd need to beat them at their own game to win the conference?
Also look at the gap in recruiting. If Arkansas wants to be successful in the smash mouth they need to get Little Rock and Pine Bluff recruits back in the schools. That area has pretty much dropped off in D1 athletes compared to what they used to be.
Also look at the gap in recruiting. If Arkansas wants to be successful in the smash mouth they need to get Little Rock and Pine Bluff recruits back in the schools. That area has pretty much dropped off in D1 athletes compared to what they used to be.
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