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Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:21 am
Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:21 am
Can someone explain to me what exactly the scandal is with regards to Benghazi, and why it is grounds for impeachment?
I get that the Obama administration candy coated the initial response to it since it was an election year, but politicians do that all the time. Doesn't excuse it, but doesn't make it grounds for impeachment. All the investigations haven't turned up anything all that damning, so I'm confused why Republicans are so hell bent on this issue. I know part of it is an attempt to damage Hillary Clinton and her possible Presidential run in 2016, but the rest of it just seems like a colossal waste of time and resources. It was a tragedy, and one that probably could have been avoided, but the ongoing witch hunt is a bit much.
I get that the Obama administration candy coated the initial response to it since it was an election year, but politicians do that all the time. Doesn't excuse it, but doesn't make it grounds for impeachment. All the investigations haven't turned up anything all that damning, so I'm confused why Republicans are so hell bent on this issue. I know part of it is an attempt to damage Hillary Clinton and her possible Presidential run in 2016, but the rest of it just seems like a colossal waste of time and resources. It was a tragedy, and one that probably could have been avoided, but the ongoing witch hunt is a bit much.
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Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:25 am to The Spleen
Politicians gonna politic.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:25 am to The Spleen
I really havent kept up with it as it just seems like another rock throwing contest in DC, but it appears to me that the Republicans think the Obama Administration lied and covered up their ineptitude and lack of actions in terms of how they handled support and evacuation for US personnel in Libya during that revolution.
I think the issue is trying to bust Obama and Hilary for lying about the mismanagement?
I think the issue is trying to bust Obama and Hilary for lying about the mismanagement?
Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:26 am to The Spleen
Sadly the political mudslinging has de-evolved into a more of childish tantrum of "i'm telling mom and your gonna get in trouble!" or "mom he's licking his finger and touching me and won't stop looking at me!"
Whereas we the people are the "mom" in this case.
It is shameful at best, I wish we could reanimate our founding fathers so they can show up Zombiefied and shitkick these sniveling, weak, corrupt people that call themselves our representatives.
Whereas we the people are the "mom" in this case.
It is shameful at best, I wish we could reanimate our founding fathers so they can show up Zombiefied and shitkick these sniveling, weak, corrupt people that call themselves our representatives.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:26 am to The Spleen
It is actually a pretty huge deal to have one of our ambassadors murdered and our embassy attacked. To sit around and not do anything while it is happening is also a big deal. To lie about it simply to cover your own arse is deplorable and a big deal. To throw an innocent film maker to the wolves as part of the lie is a .... well hopefully you get the general idea.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:28 am to The Spleen
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I get that the Obama administration candy coated the initial response to it since it was an election year, but politicians do that all the time. Doesn't excuse it, but doesn't make it grounds for impeachment. All the investigations haven't turned up anything all that damning, so I'm confused why Republicans are so hell bent on this issue. I know part of it is an attempt to damage Hillary Clinton and her possible Presidential run in 2016, but the rest of it just seems like a colossal waste of time and resources. It was a tragedy, and one that probably could have been avoided, but the ongoing witch hunt is a bit much.
I think the problem is inaction, despite direct request for help and more security followed up with "it was a video, blame the video" and not terrorism.
you know me, i'm on the opposite side of the political spectrum from you in just about everything that we can come up with, but this was a mistake. plain and simple. People died and it sucks, but it was a management mistake, not a terrible conspiracy.
I think there's something to the email coverup that they knew it was more than just a protest over a video, but they're politicians, they can't have a terrorist attack 2 months before elections, and as much as i don't agree with it, I understand it.
I'm much more bothered by the IRS stuff than this.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:31 am to The Spleen
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I get that the Obama administration candy coated the initial response to it since it was an election year, but politicians do that all the time. Doesn't excuse it, but doesn't make it grounds for impeachment. All the investigations haven't turned up anything all that damning, so I'm confused why Republicans are so hell bent on this issue. I know part of it is an attempt to damage Hillary Clinton and her possible Presidential run in 2016, but the rest of it just seems like a colossal waste of time and resources. It was a tragedy, and one that probably could have been avoided, but the ongoing witch hunt is a bit much.
Just look at what happened with president bush and 9/11. People still say we had intelligence and the whole thing could have been prevented. It's what happens when you are in power. If you have a mistake it's on your hands no matter how hard you try to cover it up or defend it.
Now, do you think the democrats wasted a colossal amount of time with Sarah Palin? The assault on her and her family was ruthless and damning and it pretty much sealed her fate as a presidential candidate. Do you not see the irony in that? How can one cry foul when it's the nature of the business. You put your name out their you can expect someone is going to dig dirt and try to bury you. Deal with it.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:32 am to The Spleen
It's political, nothing more. Both sides do this shite all the time.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:50 am to The Spleen
Because the Republican Party as a whole has no direction, they are clinging to any shred of negative publicity for the Democrats. If they don't stop floundering, it's going to be another 8 years of a Democrat in the White House.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:53 am to The Spleen
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Can someone explain to me what exactly the scandal is with regards to Benghazi, and why it is grounds for impeachment?
I get that the Obama administration candy coated the initial response to it since it was an election year, but politicians do that all the time. Doesn't excuse it, but doesn't make it grounds for impeachment. All the investigations haven't turned up anything all that damning, so I'm confused why Republicans are so hell bent on this issue. I know part of it is an attempt to damage Hillary Clinton and her possible Presidential run in 2016, but the rest of it just seems like a colossal waste of time and resources. It was a tragedy, and one that probably could have been avoided, but the ongoing witch hunt is a bit much
It isn't grounds for impeachment, but it should be damning for those involved. Hillary even more so than Obama.
The multitude of frickups that would up with a US ambassador dead were bad but that sort of thing happens (see USMC Beruit, 1983 and Mogadishu, 1993). The outright lies put forward and sometimes under oath afterwards are far worse.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:04 am to The Spleen
The whole "what difference does it make" thing bothers me. I put the scandal on Hillary more than I do Obama.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:12 am to The Spleen
There's a Democrat in the White House. Very few outraged over this cared we were lied to in order to invade Iraq. The left certainly was, but they don't seem to care much now. The right wasn't that upset back then, but boy are they today about Benghazi. Politics...
This current round of investigations appears to be trying to hang this around Hillary's neck ahead of 2016. Can't say it's a dumb move. At worst, the base is energized ahead of the midterms. At best, you take out the DNC's biggest gun for 2016.
This current round of investigations appears to be trying to hang this around Hillary's neck ahead of 2016. Can't say it's a dumb move. At worst, the base is energized ahead of the midterms. At best, you take out the DNC's biggest gun for 2016.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 10:16 am to The Spleen
Agree with everything in your OP. They real scared of Hilldog for 2016.
If they could put forth a moderate candidate that doesn't go super extreme and scare off everyone in the middle during their primary season they wouldn't have to resort to mudslinging her years in advance of her running.
If they could put forth a moderate candidate that doesn't go super extreme and scare off everyone in the middle during their primary season they wouldn't have to resort to mudslinging her years in advance of her running.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 11:06 am to The Spleen
From the golf course, take as you want.
1 an order to stand down the amount of personnel at that location due to the known hostile location.
2 the reduction in guard staff in a known hostile region.
3 the stand down of armed guards. Reducing the response time of any team.
4 the argument of is the amabasador really dead in the photo.
1 an order to stand down the amount of personnel at that location due to the known hostile location.
2 the reduction in guard staff in a known hostile region.
3 the stand down of armed guards. Reducing the response time of any team.
4 the argument of is the amabasador really dead in the photo.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 12:18 pm to The Spleen
FIrst off they lied about what the attack was, and had a person thrown in jail for making a youtube video that had nothing to do with the attack.
It was a complete lack of competence when they did nothing to curb the attack when in fact they had nearby resources that could have saved lives.
They had threats and warnings in advance, did nothing to increase security, and then lied to cover it up.
It was a complete lack of competence when they did nothing to curb the attack when in fact they had nearby resources that could have saved lives.
They had threats and warnings in advance, did nothing to increase security, and then lied to cover it up.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 1:01 pm to The Spleen
Posted on 5/7/14 at 1:17 pm to The Spleen
While the inaction by the current administration is objectionable, the issue has exploded into a full-blown right wing conspiracy.
I dislike Obama as much as anyone, but the largely faux outrage over this issue has reached insane levels. Bush and Clinton both did things equal to or worse in severity in terms of foreign policy.
I dislike Obama as much as anyone, but the largely faux outrage over this issue has reached insane levels. Bush and Clinton both did things equal to or worse in severity in terms of foreign policy.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 6:49 pm to The Spleen
There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of the Obama administration. This isn't one of them, and the reps need to (finally) let it go.
Posted on 5/9/14 at 9:03 am to The Spleen
Democrat are t you! 
Posted on 5/9/14 at 10:01 am to The Spleen
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colossal waste of time and resources
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