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re: Colin cowherds take on LSU and Bama players in the NFL
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:48 pm to Tuscaloosa
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:48 pm to Tuscaloosa
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Why would the Saints waste that pick on Mark Ingram, anyway - when they know they're going to pass the ball 50+ times a game and split carries with at least 2 other backs? It seems like they could have gotten much more value out of that pick by either trading it to someone else who wanted Ingram, or by just selecting someone else.
Because the season before they ran out of running backs.
Regardless, I don't think he'll have much success anywhere, the Saints run the ball a lot, and he's not a big part of it. He did improve his ypc a bit last season, but he only carried the ball 78 times.
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Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:51 pm to craigbiggio
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and I truly believe if we sign Sproles before the draft we don't trade back into the first to draft a RB.
yep.
and I think the Saints overreacted by picking a RB in the 1st round because they had a rash of injuries at the position in 2010.
I've accepted Ingram for what he is... just another average RB in the NFL. It would be cool if all of sudden he went the hell off but he's shown nothing but inconsistency since he's been with the team. One week he'll shred the Cowboys... and then the next week he'll gain like 36 yards on 11 carries against the Falcons.
if he were to go to a different team, I wouldn't imagine he'd be all that more effective.
would he get more carries? Yeah probably. But that wouldn't necessarily mean he'd be more effective.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 4:16 pm to kudzoo
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So, if the OP is correct, it looks like Coach Saban is getting better results and winning championships with less talented players.
This is such a tired line. First off, saying Bama players underperform in the NFL isn't an indictment against Saban nor is it intended to be. And no, Saban isn't winning with inferior players. He signs the #1 signing class basically every season. The effect Saban has, however, is running such a good system at the college level that it turns players that would probably grade out as 2nd and 3rd round players ( had they played elsewhere) into being drafted in the 1st round. And it's not that all these players suck in the NFL either, but when a player is drafted in the 1st round, he's expected to do more than just be a starter or make a roster. When you get paid that kind of money, you're supposed to be a franchise type player.
And seriously, this argument is so played out. Make it stop.
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 4/24/14 at 4:19 pm to lsufball19
+1000
Posted on 4/24/14 at 4:24 pm to Choctaw
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Cowherd speaks....gumps get pissed.
I can hear Phyllis now, "Cow-turd is a psychic Pawwwwl, he can predict the future."
Posted on 4/24/14 at 4:32 pm to Feral
quote:going to the Browns is a terrible position alway, and not being able to go through camp or have aby time to learn a completely different scheme. You are right, that is completely ideal.
What terrible situation was Trent in?
Didn't you hear? Playing on a division champion with arguably the best young QB in the game is a horrible situation
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:02 pm to narddogg81
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going to the Browns is a terrible position alway, and not being able to go through camp or have aby time to learn a completely different scheme. You are right, that is completely ideal.
I don't know why people keep making excuses for Richardson. He was a beast in college, but it's impossible to ignore his abysmal YPC every single year. He's not the first player to play for a bad team and not the first player to be traded. I don't care what situation you may be in, a three year average of 3.3 YPC is bad, regardless of your situation. You don't think maybe, just maybe he was as productive as he was at Alabama because of the fact he ran behind the best line in college football. Seriously, when was the last time Alabama didn't have a back near the top of the SEC rushing leaders? Or are all of them just that good?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:07 pm to bamabenny
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More butthurt from a game that was played three years ago. Get over it LSU fans, it happened.
Apparently the players did.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:08 pm to lsufball19
Richardson's vision was never as good as Ingram's was. I think the points people make about Ingram are a lot more applicable (not saying he is a top 10 back in the league, but would do much better with another team where he can see more touches in a variety of ways). TR just can't beast people in the NFL like he could in college and he is having a hard time transitioning. I think the trade hurt him, but he has not performed up to par and is a bust for the team that drafted him. It isn't over for him though, he has the tools and can work on his vision/north south running ability he can still make a name for himself in the NFL.
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:11 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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he has the tools and can work on his vision/north south running ability he can still make a name for himself in the NFL.
I don't disagree he has the tools because he has all the physical tools in the world, but wouldn't you say vision is one of those (pardon the cliche) intangibles that you either have or you don't?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:17 pm to lsufball19
Great vision that some of the best backs ever have clearly can't be taught. But with hard work, and some good coaching I think he can work through this "slump" if you will. Not having so much pressure would also help but that comes with the territory.
ETA: In other words I think he could work his way into a top 5 back in the league and have fairly good vision for the hole and how to hit it right, but he isn't going to have that jaw dropping cutback ability.
ETA: In other words I think he could work his way into a top 5 back in the league and have fairly good vision for the hole and how to hit it right, but he isn't going to have that jaw dropping cutback ability.
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:32 pm to LSUTIGER#1fan
Bama on the brain 24/7.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:37 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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In other words I think he could work his way into a top 5 back in the league and have fairly good vision for the hole and how to hit it right, but he isn't going to have that jaw dropping cutback ability.
eh, I'm not sure I could project him as a top 5 back in the league right now. That's asking a lot. However, I do believe he has the talent to become a much more serviceable back than he has been to this point.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:42 pm to lsufball19
top 5 was probably too high, sort of the upper echelon in this hypothetical situation
Posted on 4/24/14 at 8:54 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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Richardson's vision was never as good as Ingram's was. I think the points people make about Ingram are a lot more applicable (not saying he is a top 10 back in the league, but would do much better with another team where he can see more touches in a variety of ways). TR just can't beast people in the NFL like he could in college and he is having a hard time transitioning. I think the trade hurt him, but he has not performed up to par and is a bust for the team that drafted him. It isn't over for him though, he has the tools and can work on his vision/north south running ability he can still make a name for himself in the NFL.
He cannot make people miss on a tackle at all, and if you want to make people miss on a tackle in the NFL, you have to have vision.
You might be able to run over a lot of the weaker players you see every week in college, but not in the league.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:45 pm to Feral
Hey gumps y'all must've forgotten about the 2 game loseing streak your on! You backed you're way into the 2012 NC game, didn't even win your conference! Y'all beat your chest like your king Kong, but the truth is bamma pays their players that's a proven fact! How many times have y'all been on probation? Truthis you have a papayroll higher than the saints!
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:49 pm to LSUTIGER#1fan
Because the point of a college football program isn't to win games and win championships, no, it's to turn out NFL prospects.
Guess we've been doing it wrong. Less focus on winning championships and more focus on maximizing NFL productivity from now on!
Guess we've been doing it wrong. Less focus on winning championships and more focus on maximizing NFL productivity from now on!
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:51 pm to broadcaster
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You backed you're way into the 2012 NC game
LSU fan talking about backing into a national title game... oh brother.
You do realize about 50% of the time historically the national champion is not undefeated right?
And it's a good thing for LSU that's the case, as LSU hasn't managed to run the table in over 50 years.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:55 pm to IAmReality
21-0 proved conclusively that LSU lucked out in Tuscaloosa.
Posted on 4/25/14 at 12:02 am to Florida225
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God, I love being a tiger and not some gump bitch who gets butt hurt over a radio hosts' opinion.
21-0
21-17
38-17
Alabama doesn't hold on every play
Alabama doesn't control the SEC home office
Alabama doesn't make the conference schedules
etc.
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