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Heaven and Hell Exist, and I Believe I Know Where

Posted on 2/17/14 at 12:43 am
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 12:43 am
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On July 17, 1793, a woman named Charlotte Corday was executed by guillotine for the assassination of Jean-Paul Marat, a radical journalist, politician and revolutionary. Marat was well-liked for his ideas and the mob awaiting the guillotine was eager to see Corday pay. After the blade dropped and Corday's head fell, one of the executioner's assistants picked it up and slapped its cheek. According to witnesses, Corday's eyes turned to look at the man and her face changed to an expression of indignation. Following this incident, people executed by guillotine during the Revolution were asked to blink afterward, and witnesses claim that the blinking occurred for up to 30 seconds.


Countless similar claims have been documented throughout the ages by average individuals to workers in the medical profession.

Medical science indicates that the brain can remain active for 3 - 6 minutes after death. Some professionals believe that the brain remains active for 10+ minutes and experiences a surge of activity immediately after death.

Dreams -

Most dreams last between a few seconds to 20 seconds. However, in dreams we have a completely different perception of time. Days, weeks, or perhaps a lifetime may occur within a 5 second dream.

I believe that Heaven and Hell exist within us. It isn't a realm in the "clouds" or somewhere in deep space. Heaven and Hell are as real as the air we breath and the dirt we stand upon, but it is much closer than we allow ourselves to believe.

Perception-

Perception is reality, no debate. Most people believe that "real life" is what we see and feel while the dreamscape is a false reality. But, one must consider that when we die, when our hearts have stopped beating, our new reality will be our final experience within our brains during the 3 - 10 minutes surge of activity that will occur.

The final 3 - 10 minute brain activity is more than enough time to experience eternity within a dreamscape. If we can experience a lifetime within a five second dream, imagine what we can experience during 10 minutes of surge activity! It is no stretch to consider that the human brain is wired with an "end of life" experience to allow the individual a smoother (or perhaps punishable) transition from life to death. Make no mistake: The intense love, joy, or pain that we may experience within this dreamscape will indeed be our reality at that moment.

What happens when brain activity ceases and the organ decomposes? My theory. Humans are made up of the universe. At the atomic level, we are the universe. When we die, we don't cease to exist. Quite the contrary. At the atomic level, we will continue to exist forever.

Therefore, our very essence will continue to be an eternal cycle of birth, death, and rebirth, which opens the door for reincarnation. If our essence at the atomic level becomes a part of new life, there's no reason to believe that a sliver of a former life can't continue on.

Cellular Memory -

There have been several documented reports by medical professionals that individuals who received transplants, especially heart transplants, have awakened after surgery and muttered the name of the deceased organ donor, even though the patient had no connection to the donor.

Some medical professionals believe that conscience exists at the cellular level. They point to the fact that much is still unknown about RNA, the biological molecules that perform multiple vital roles in the coding, decoding, regulation, and expression of genes. After all, RNA is responsible for gene heredity, which could be explained as gene memory transmitted from life to life.

Therefore, if we connect the dots, one can argue that we will not only experience one afterlife but instead many, that our essence, even slivers of past memories or perhaps our conscience, can be transmitted from life to life (reincarnation), and our essense will in fact exist forever.

God, angels, and demons exists within each of us and rule the network of energy that we all are wired thru our physical composition of universal elements. We are all capable of truly great things just as we are all capable of incredible evil. Sometimes we unleash these forces by choice. Sometimes we accidentally tap into this realm deep within our brains. Other times the human body can experience a glitch that unleashes these forces in spite of the individual's will.

When this happens, the experience becomes the reality.

Louis, the doctor in the classic horror movie Jacob's Ladder, said it best:

“The only thing that burns in hell is the part of you that won't let go of your life: your memories, your attachments. They burn 'em all away. But they're not punishing you,' he said. 'They're freeing your soul. If your frightened of dying, and your holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. If you've made your peace then the devils are really angels freeing you from the earth.”
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 1:15 am
Posted by pivey14
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 12:47 am to
Posted by Legendary0903
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 12:48 am to
Solid read and a solid theory

I like the way your mind works.
Posted by We_Need_Cam
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 12:50 am to
Only read the first half and my mind exploded. I'm going to bed
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 12:57 am to
Posted by Crimson G
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 1:03 am to
Honestly, I disagree and feel like reading that wall of text was a waste of four minutes.
Posted by Stacked
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 1:15 am to
While our dreams may last 5 seconds, we are asleep and able to continue dreaming for much, much, much longer (8 hours) than the 3-10 minutes the brain has activity after death.

During this time, if your theory is correct, we would experience eternity many times over each night we go to sleep.
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 1:15 am
Posted by DirtyDawg
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:11 am to
quote:

My theory. Humans are made up of the universe. At the atomic level, we are the universe. When we die, we don't cease to exist. Quite the contrary. At the atomic level, we will continue to exist forever.

Therefore, our very essence will continue to be an eternal cycle of birth, death, and rebirth, which opens the door for reincarnation. If our essence at the atomic level becomes a part of new life, there's no reason to believe that a sliver of a former life can't continue on.




From this section in the OP I gather that you have a monistic view point. Just wondering what do you believe in some form of hinduism? Just curious, this post is very thought provoking
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36187 posts
Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:57 am to
Well if you're heaven or hell is only the 3-10 minutes after you die... then I guess we can all stop trying to save people on facebook.. it may seem like a eternity but in 3-10 minutes they'll be swimming with the fishes.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 6:52 am to
Heaven: Texas

Hell: outside of Texas*

*save for the Texan Embassy

We're done here.
Posted by davesdawgs
Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
20307 posts
Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:29 am to
I have expressed a similar concept on the poliboard (and never got a response :)) several times but without the detailed mechanism that you suggest which of course is an unknown. Then again that is the point: we simply do not know if a creator exists and if there is a consciousness that lives on after death.

That fact that perception becomes reality and that a concept can therefore be real without knowing if it actually exists is an important point. Atheists/the enlightened are quick to discard religion/faith as a delusional fabrication that human beings created to explain the unknown. This might well be yet because it is still unknown and who is to say that perceptions created through faith don't become reality in some form of afterlife?

I do think that your scientific basis is interesting. Einstein explained the relationship between matter and energy. We are told that energy can be neither created or destroyed but rather is converted from one form to another at the atomic level. The $64 question of course is do we have a soul that is a form of energy that is not destroyed and exists after death? Again the answer is we do not know. And maybe when you consider that space/time is literally relative to your proximity, maybe that 30 seconds becomes all the eternity we need to hold on to.
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 9:36 am
Posted by cokebottleag
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:32 am to
Killz for some reason I think you copypasta'd that from somewhere else. Good read though
Posted by LSU1NSEC
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:11 am to
quantum entanglement

Posted by beejon
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:48 am to
Heaven and hell are places of existence, not a state of mind.
Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 2/17/14 at 11:51 am to
quote:

Most dreams last between a few seconds to 20 seconds. However, in dreams we have a completely different perception of time. Days, weeks, or perhaps a lifetime may occur within a 5 second dream.


Has this been scientifically proven? Because I find just the opposite happens in my dreams. I find that if a real world event interposes itself in my dream, like a ticking clock noise makes it's way into my dream, then the real world event is "sped up" in my dream, i.e. the ticks would seem faster than what they should be.

And this makes sense in my mind, as my subconscious would be worn the frick out if it had to live through eternities every night.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
91023 posts
Posted on 2/17/14 at 12:21 pm to
That's an interesting and viable theory. There is much about our existence and our consciousness that is largely not understood. I think we have only scratched the surface on what we know about our universe, how it came to be, and where we come from.

This is why I think it's idiotic for someone to claim with 100% certainty and claim as fact that what they believe is right. We could all be wrong for all we know.

Good thread
Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:52 pm to
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It is no stretch to consider that the human brain is wired with an "end of life" experience to allow the individual a smoother (or perhaps punishable) transition from life to death


Why would there be such a hard-wiring? Certainly not from evolution. If someone were hard-wired to "ease into death", that would only make that person less cautious regarding death and would definitely not be an evolutionary advantage.

Hell for that matter, how can there even be an advantage when the only time the "advantage" is exercised is the ultimate moment of a person's life when they can't pass on their genes?
Posted by lwlsu96
Member since Oct 2011
5404 posts
Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:09 pm to
Great theory, a lot of your points relate to the study of the pineal gland.

If you guys want to read something that will blow your mind read THIS and do some further research

The article talks about the psychedelic drug called DMT which is very similar to what the brain produces in near death experiences, when you dream, and meditation. It talks about how the gland has be symbolized in almost every common religion today and throughout many ancient civilizations. DMT again is almost identical to what your brain releases and it talks about some states of consciousness people achieve when they take extracted forms of it.

Do some research on the pineal gland and DMT experiences. I find it interesting because it's something that science and religion kind of come together on when it comes to consciousness after death.
Posted by Gradual_Stroke
Bee Cave, TX
Member since Oct 2012
20917 posts
Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:25 pm to
Which was it, Op: LSD or DMT?
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 4:25 pm
Posted by CroakaBait
Gulf Coast of the Land Mass
Member since Nov 2013
3978 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 4:46 am to
That's some serious Cloud Atlas-esqe type stuff right there.
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