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If Bielema is struggling to make a bowl in year 5, is he to be given a long leash because of his success at Wisconsin? Again, I'm not calling for Anderson to be fired at all, I'm just reiterating my original hesitation with hiring him.

Stuggling to make a bowl or missing a bowl?

Its hard to compare the situations because CBB can flip his roster quicker by being allowed to sign a full offensive and defensive string (25 players), by year three he will have a core group of his recruits who have received his development. The numbers of 85 recruits allows more leeway with the APR.

In basketball, Mike has had to keep guys he probably would not have due to the APR, one guy flunking out can do far more damage to the program than in football. The other issue is he was forced to keep all the guys who Pel signed in his first class, 5 total or 39% of the team in one class. None of those guys had offers from him while at Mizzou, Madden was the only one I can recall him having interest in, Young he had no interest in. All of this basically set the timeline back one year, year 3 and he has only 2 recruiting classes on campus and has added 2 transfers to make up for that first class.

You have to examine the situations of each program, as every situation after a coaching change will be different. That is what Jeff Long is paid to do, but the fan base can continue to scream 3 years is enough for basketball, 4 for football like every situation is exactly the same...

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Posted by CtotheVrzrbck

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Posted on 1/30/14 at 11:00 am to DaleDenton

I don't want a specific archetype of a basketball team. I want one that can match up and play whatever style is needed to win games.

This what got Nolan into the fire. He recruited specifi. To his system more so than bringing in the best basketball players. He tried to out athlete everyone, when we ran into athletic teams that could also play and had good coaching and discipline we were toast.

Now we can only have success playing one certain way, good teams are flexible and figure out how to beat all kinds of teams.

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Posted by reedus23

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Posted on 1/30/14 at 4:44 pm to DaleDenton

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In basketball, Mike has had to keep guys he probably would not have due to the APR, one guy flunking out can do far more damage to the program than in football. The other issue is he was forced to keep all the guys who Pel signed in his first class, 5 total or 39% of the team in one class. None of those guys had offers from him while at Mizzou, Madden was the only one I can recall him having interest in, Young he had no interest in. All of this basically set the timeline back one year, year 3 and he has only 2 recruiting classes on campus and has added 2 transfers to make up for that first class.

Dale, you pretty much said what I was thinking as I was reading. MA's style and philosophy probably takes longer to implement than most other coaches. Add to what you said about the players he inherited the fact that to run his system, you have to have 8, 9 or 10 guys that can all do it and do it equally well. He's at a point where he probably has half or just over half that number. Another year of getting players that fit his system and he'll have the depth he needs. Even if the players he inherited were good players, if they don't fit his system, they make the system fall apart.

It's easier said than done, but I truly believe, given time, MA will have Arky winning and in the tourney with a brand of basketball that is exciting 90% of the time and head scratching 10% of the time, but in the tourney none the less.

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