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re: Alright, I'm done. Anderson needs to go.

Posted on 1/29/14 at 10:03 pm to
Posted by ocelot4ark
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2009
12458 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 10:03 pm to
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Acknowledge what? That open guys are receiving the ball? That guys are taking open shot? That guys are taking bad shots early in the shot clock? That guys are choosing to take the first shot instead of the best shot?


We're receiving the ball, guys!

We are not getting consistently open shots, for one. And I'd challenge anyone that said that. We're shooting 38% in conf play.

Shot selection? Agree with you. Just don't pin it entirely on the players.

Final time - I want you to acknowledge that we don't consistently set solid screens throughout a possession. Disregard shot selection. Are we making the best screens we can possibly strive for? Would our offense work better if we were? If not, why screen at all? Why is it part of the offense?

Think of it this way...A running back can get 4 yards with decent blocking up front. He might get 10 yards if the WRs blocked better. The RB is getting good, tough yards, right? Why bother with teaching those WRs how to block? We're getting 4 yards!

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One of the top 15 scoring teams in the country.



We are 8 ppg lower in conference play than overall. We are shooting 38% in conference play (as opposed to 46% overall). Of course, the majority of our non-conference games were played at home against crappy competition. But that's evidently not important in trying to determine the effectiveness of the offense. Just PPG.

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No offensive execution, says the man expecting set plays out of a motion offense.



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An offense is your method to score baskets and get open shots against your opponent. Most coaches consider their offense to be a continuous motion or a play that can be run over and over again. It's common to have more than one offensive set, usually a primary offense and a secondary offense.

In addition, most basketball coaches will have a variety of set plays at their disposal. Set plays are usually just run through one time in special situations. For example, you might want to run a set play at the end of the game or when your offense is stagnant and you really need a basket. Then, if the set play doesn't work, you can flow into your primary offense.

[quote]An offense is your method to score baskets and get open shots against your opponent. Most coaches consider their offense to be a continuous motion or a play that can be run over and over again. It's common to have more than one offensive set, usually a primary offense and a secondary offense.

In addition, most basketball coaches will have a variety of set plays at their disposal. Set plays are usually just run through one time in special situations. For example, you might want to run a set play at the end of the game or when your offense is stagnant and you really need a basket. Then, if the set play doesn't work, you can flow into your primary offense.


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And I have repeatedly said we need IMPROVED execution. If you think I believe we have no offensive execution, that kinda flies in the face of seeing them...you know...score at least 1 fg a game.

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You don't understand what you are seeing, so it is "streetball"...



You think with 2 seconds on the clock down by 2 that the only thing Coach K would do is say, "run the offense, guys?"

Wow.

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All of it. The offense, the defenses, the press.



You are completely retarded. Telling yourself something doesn't make it so - evidenced by your inability to point to the specific elements of the offense, defense, or press that I don't understand. Your counterpoint to my arguments is, "But we are top 15 scoring." As if that is remotely representative of offensive efficiency playing teams with a pulse (especially on the road).

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When Mike can bench a player who makes a selfish play instead of running the play called at the end of the game without having a huge drop off in scoring, yes it will correct itself.



What play called at the end of the game? We don't have plays, remember?

And how, exactly, is it better to play a guy showing a propensity for taking bad shots than playing a guy that might be less talented but WON'T take bad shots? A bad shot is a bad shot because it doesn't go in the fricking basket. A player who takes bad shots is negating his supposed strength.

Of course, I don't think Madden should become a bench player just because he takes a bad shot now and then. I just don't think you ignore his (or anyone else's) bad shots without addressing them. Take a bad shot? Pull the player out of the game, explain why you're taking him out, let him get some rest and then bring him back into the game. You don't discourage players from taking bad shots by not having any repercussions, however slight.

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See Harris' reduction in minutes.


Not nearly enough. But we have other guys throwing up bad shots (Madden and Qualls have both started forcing things unnecessarily).
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42397 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 10:18 pm to
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We are not getting consistently open shots, for one. And I'd challenge anyone that said that. We're shooting 38% in conf play.



They are missing shots, doesn't mean they were not open looks, how many layups have they missed in conf play? Too many.

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Shot selection? Agree with you. Just don't pin it entirely on the players.



Who the frick is taking the shots?

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Final time - I want you to acknowledge that we don't consistently set solid screens throughout a possession. Disregard shot selection. Are we making the best screens we can possibly strive for? Would our offense work better if we were? If not, why screen at all? Why is it part of the offense?


At times, yes and no, it has been just as inconsistent as the players setting them in conference play, it isn't the root cause of the problem. Slow ball movement is the larger problem, not reversing the ball is 2nd.

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You think with 2 seconds on the clock down by 2 that the only thing Coach K would do is say, "run the offense, guys?"

Wow.


Is that what I said? No, it is not.

I'm talking about the games in their entirety, a series of bad shots with 15:00 to go in the first half has just as much to do with the outcome as the last shot in the game, better shot selection early could greatly change the situation at the end of the game.

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You are completely retarded. Telling yourself something doesn't make it so - evidenced by your inability to point to the specific elements of the offense, defense, or press that I don't understand. Your counterpoint to my arguments is, "But we are top 15 scoring." As if that is remotely representative of offensive efficiency playing teams with a pulse (especially on the road).


I want to see set plays, what's this motion offense you speak of?, here let me give you an example of a NBA coach, or here is the all time leader in wins in NCAA basketball who has been at the same program for 30 years, lets compare to that guy, let me play checkers while you play chess.

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What play called at the end of the game? We don't have plays, remember?



Where did I say that? I didn't.


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And how, exactly, is it better to play a guy showing a propensity for taking bad shots than playing a guy that might be less talented but WON'T take bad shots? A bad shot is a bad shot because it doesn't go in the fricking basket. A player who takes bad shots is negating his supposed strength.


Who do you want to have the ball in their hands at the end of a close game you are looking to win or tie? Madden or Haydar/Wade/Scott?

Let's take the ball out of the team's leading scoring in SEC play and put in a guy who averages 2 points and is 6' tall.

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Of course, I don't think Madden should become a bench player just because he takes a bad shot now and then. I just don't think you ignore his (or anyone else's) bad shots without addressing them. Take a bad shot? Pull the player out of the game, explain why you're taking him out, let him get some rest and then bring him back into the game. You don't discourage players from taking bad shots by not having any repercussions, however slight.



That has been done.



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