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First of all, are we watching the same team? Open shots? Consistently? On the majority of our possessions? Is your definition of an open shot one that just doesn't get blocked? Open driving lanes? What? When, consistently?

Is that what I asked? No. But I can see how you would think that the only screen that matters is the one immediately preceding the shot. Pass, screen away. Those screens are pathetic. Just because we manage to get a shot up later in the posession doesn't change the fact that we'd get BETTER shots if we set better screens throughout the possession. As I'm sure you're aware, we are constantly screening.

I really think you need to acknowledge that or I truly won't give a shite what you think because you'll have proven yourself as a big talking basketball ignoramus.

Acknowledge what? That open guys are receiving the ball? That guys are taking open shot? That guys are taking bad shots early in the shot clock? That guys are choosing to take the first shot instead of the best shot?

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Hyperbole is fun, no? How have you not realized, after 9 pages, that my problem is that we don't execute the offense? I think I've said it on just about every page. I'm using screens as a simple illustration of one my problems with offensive execution. It's telling that you have yet to say that you think the screens are consistently well done.

One of the top 15 scoring teams in the country.

No offensive execution, says the man expecting set plays out of a motion offense.

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Ohhhh. Gotta make sure we use to right descriptors. How much easier it is to say, "Our execution coming out of a time out is subpar. I wish we had more TALENT so that we could run a basic sideline out of bounds play to free someone for a shot that's not 25 feet from the goal. Definitely just a talent thing, though."

When we are consistently taking bailout shots as the shot or game clocks expire, that's a symptom of a coaching shortfall. I believe that if Coach K was forced to play his bottom 5 guys against UNC for the final possession, down by 1, with 5 seconds left that he would consistently get one of those guys an opportunity to square up and shoot within 15 feet of the basket. I guarantee his guys would be coached well enough to handle that. Would the guy make the shot? Who knows. But he'd get a clean look and every guy from Duke would be involved in getting him that look. It wouldn't be 1 guy dribbling around the perimeter and throwing up a desperation 3.

You don't understand what you are seeing, so it is "streetball"...

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What makes you think that I'm not? Specifically. Tell me. What about Mike's system do you think I don't comprehend? Point by point. Tell me. Glad to respond.

All of it. The offense, the defenses, the press.

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I guess we'll just have to wait until we get some better players, though, before we can really address shot selection. You know...cause coaches aren't responsible for limiting those kinds of things.

"Madden from 25 ft.......and it's off the shot clock!"
"Dammit Ky, stop taking crappy shots!"
"Okay coach."

The end.

When Mike can bench a player who makes a selfish play instead of running the play called at the end of the game without having a huge drop off in scoring, yes it will correct itself.

See Harris' reduction in minutes.

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Posted by ocelot4ark

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Member since Oct 2009

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Posted on 1/29/14 at 10:03 pm to DaleDenton

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Acknowledge what? That open guys are receiving the ball? That guys are taking open shot? That guys are taking bad shots early in the shot clock? That guys are choosing to take the first shot instead of the best shot?

We're receiving the ball, guys!

We are not getting consistently open shots, for one. And I'd challenge anyone that said that. We're shooting 38% in conf play.

Shot selection? Agree with you. Just don't pin it entirely on the players.

Final time - I want you to acknowledge that we don't consistently set solid screens throughout a possession. Disregard shot selection. Are we making the best screens we can possibly strive for? Would our offense work better if we were? If not, why screen at all? Why is it part of the offense?

Think of it this way...A running back can get 4 yards with decent blocking up front. He might get 10 yards if the WRs blocked better. The RB is getting good, tough yards, right? Why bother with teaching those WRs how to block? We're getting 4 yards!

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One of the top 15 scoring teams in the country.

We are 8 ppg lower in conference play than overall. We are shooting 38% in conference play (as opposed to 46% overall). Of course, the majority of our non-conference games were played at home against crappy competition. But that's evidently not important in trying to determine the effectiveness of the offense. Just PPG.

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No offensive execution, says the man expecting set plays out of a motion offense.

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An offense is your method to score baskets and get open shots against your opponent. Most coaches consider their offense to be a continuous motion or a play that can be run over and over again. It's common to have more than one offensive set, usually a primary offense and a secondary offense.

In addition, most basketball coaches will have a variety of set plays at their disposal. Set plays are usually just run through one time in special situations. For example, you might want to run a set play at the end of the game or when your offense is stagnant and you really need a basket. Then, if the set play doesn't work, you can flow into your primary offense.

[quote]An offense is your method to score baskets and get open shots against your opponent. Most coaches consider their offense to be a continuous motion or a play that can be run over and over again. It's common to have more than one offensive set, usually a primary offense and a secondary offense.

In addition, most basketball coaches will have a variety of set plays at their disposal. Set plays are usually just run through one time in special situations. For example, you might want to run a set play at the end of the game or when your offense is stagnant and you really need a basket. Then, if the set play doesn't work, you can flow into your primary offense.

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And I have repeatedly said we need IMPROVED execution. If you think I believe we have no offensive execution, that kinda flies in the face of seeing them...you know...score at least 1 fg a game.

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You don't understand what you are seeing, so it is "streetball"...

You think with 2 seconds on the clock down by 2 that the only thing Coach K would do is say, "run the offense, guys?"

Wow.

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All of it. The offense, the defenses, the press.

You are completely retarded. Telling yourself something doesn't make it so - evidenced by your inability to point to the specific elements of the offense, defense, or press that I don't understand. Your counterpoint to my arguments is, "But we are top 15 scoring." As if that is remotely representative of offensive efficiency playing teams with a pulse (especially on the road).

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When Mike can bench a player who makes a selfish play instead of running the play called at the end of the game without having a huge drop off in scoring, yes it will correct itself.

What play called at the end of the game? We don't have plays, remember?

And how, exactly, is it better to play a guy showing a propensity for taking bad shots than playing a guy that might be less talented but WON'T take bad shots? A bad shot is a bad shot because it doesn't go in the fricking basket. A player who takes bad shots is negating his supposed strength.

Of course, I don't think Madden should become a bench player just because he takes a bad shot now and then. I just don't think you ignore his (or anyone else's) bad shots without addressing them. Take a bad shot? Pull the player out of the game, explain why you're taking him out, let him get some rest and then bring him back into the game. You don't discourage players from taking bad shots by not having any repercussions, however slight.