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re: Alright, I'm done. Anderson needs to go.

Posted on 1/29/14 at 1:09 pm to
Posted by ocelot4ark
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2009
12458 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 1:09 pm to
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Mike uses several different presses, most of which are used not to create turnovers but to speed up the tempo of the game and not allow teams who want to walk the ball up the court to do so.


1) Then he needs to teach his guys not to foul. Because it looks like they're trying to force turnovers at least half the time. I know they do a soft press a lot, but the players are still trying to get steals and it's put us in bad situations with the bonus.

2) Why? Speeding up the tempo is great, but we can't really press the ball ourselves if we're constantly taking the ball out of the net after a double bonus free throw or uncontested corner 3.

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Because Mike runs an offensive not plays. That is like saying the only way to win in football is running the wishbone and not a prostyle or spread offense.


Which is why I've continuously espoused about the need to improve execution of the offense. Screens are pathetic. Meaningless dribbles on the perimeter slowing ball movement. Etc, etc. I've talked about our unwillingness to institute a basic back-door cut. I don't have a problem with the motion offense. I have a problem with Mike's installation of the offense and/or the team's execution of the offense.

And regardless of what offense you run, it's without a doubt IMPERATIVE that they have set plays coming out of timeouts in time-sensitive situations. Non-starter. You can't inbound the ball with 5 seconds left and hope to run the motion offense to get an open shot. No way, no how. Not consistently. Not if you want to be truly great. You have to have plays for those situations. Have to. I question whether or not we do because I can't think of us getting a clean look in any of those kinds of situations this year. But I'm getting old so I suppose my memory has failed or something so feel free to point me in the direction of some of those instances.

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The closest Pelphrey ever got to running an offense was a poorly taught flex.



I think you're confusing me with someone else. I would never question MA's worth over JP.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42397 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 1:20 pm to
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1) Then he needs to teach his guys not to foul. Because it looks like they're trying to force turnovers at least half the time. I know they do a soft press a lot, but the players are still trying to get steals and it's put us in bad situations with the bonus.


They haven't been fouling in the back court, the majority of the fouls are caused from a missed assignment on defense, help comes over late out of position, etc.

Mike likes a ball denial defense, that is why you see guys flashing out in passing lanes, etc. This defense can be disruptive to the point a set plays team can't run sets, there is a designed element of unpredictability to the system.

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2) Why? Speeding up the tempo is great, but we can't really press the ball ourselves if we're constantly taking the ball out of the net after a double bonus free throw or uncontested corner 3


Sure. How many unforced turnovers, bad shots have been forced from taking a team out of their comfort zone with tempo this season?

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Which is why I've continuously espoused about the need to improve execution of the offense. Screens are pathetic. Meaningless dribbles on the perimeter slowing ball movement. Etc, etc. I've talked about our unwillingness to institute a basic back-door cut. I don't have a problem with the motion offense. I have a problem with Mike's installation of the offense and/or the team's execution of the offense.


There are no set movements to the offense, every screen has 3-5 options for each player involved with the screen, there are no areas of the court designed for one player to be, or a certain player to be. It is up to the players to make the proper read, selected the best option, and keep the proper spacing on the court.

A back door cut will always be hard to utilize with guards around 6' on the court in today's game, by the time the extra pass is made to get the passing angle, the cut is over with.

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You can't inbound the ball with 5 seconds left and hope to run the motion offense to get an open shot.


Every team has out of bounds plays, that is the only time one is going to be drawn up with the intent to score, it would usually be done on the fly depending on what the opponent had been doing during the course of the game. Every other out of bounds play is designed to inbound the ball first, scoring options are always present to "steal" an easy basket from a team out of position defensively.
Posted by Pigfeet
Ark Mods are Fascists
Member since Mar 2010
19783 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 1:21 pm to
Some rustled jimmies all up in here, please resume, I'm still on page 5.
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
37538 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 2:42 pm to
What frustrates me the most is the pieces of having a decent team are there, they aren't optimum but we got them.

What this team doesn't seem able to do is execute when they HAVE TO. The discipline isn't there, the confidence isn't there and when it is it's overconfidence and a bad shot is rushed.

Sometimes in close games you gotta feed the big guys, punish them inside, create fouls, force the defense to play on their heels and you can set them up to dominate them inside or outside whichever you choose or they give up the easiest.
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