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Question about some conference titles in football.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 1/22/14 at 8:02 pm
1934 - Tulane had a better record than Alabama in SEC play, but UA gets credit for an SEC title.
1951 - Georgia Tech had a better record than Tennessee in SEC play, but UT gets credit for an SEC title.
1966 - Alabama had a better record than Georgia in SEC play, but UG gets credit for an SEC title.
1976 - Georgia had a better record than Kentucky in SEC play, but UK gets credit for an SEC title.
1981 - Alabama had a better record than Georgia in SEC play, but UG gets credit for an SEC title.
1988 - LSU beat Auburn head-to-head (both were tied in SEC play), but AU gets credit for an SEC title.
1957 - Auburn was on a bowl ban and still gets credit for an SEC title. See 1984 Florida.
Just wondering.
1951 - Georgia Tech had a better record than Tennessee in SEC play, but UT gets credit for an SEC title.
1966 - Alabama had a better record than Georgia in SEC play, but UG gets credit for an SEC title.
1976 - Georgia had a better record than Kentucky in SEC play, but UK gets credit for an SEC title.
1981 - Alabama had a better record than Georgia in SEC play, but UG gets credit for an SEC title.
1988 - LSU beat Auburn head-to-head (both were tied in SEC play), but AU gets credit for an SEC title.
1957 - Auburn was on a bowl ban and still gets credit for an SEC title. See 1984 Florida.
Just wondering.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 8:06 pm to Korin
quote:Bowl ban =/= SEC championship ban.
1957 - Auburn was on a bowl ban and still gets credit for an SEC title.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 8:07 pm to Korin
LSU was co-champs in 1988 we were recognized
Posted on 1/22/14 at 8:07 pm to Korin
1972-Auburn 10-1, Alabama 10-2, Auburn wins head to head, yet Alabama gets SEC title. It's very confusing.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 8:12 pm to Korin
This is all crazy. Why is all of this?
I know that they used to award multple SEC titles if you tied and head-to-head did not matter. See LSU and Auburn in 1988, for example. We don't do that now, obviously.
But, why would one school get it over another if the other school has the better record and/or won head-to-head?
I know that they used to award multple SEC titles if you tied and head-to-head did not matter. See LSU and Auburn in 1988, for example. We don't do that now, obviously.
But, why would one school get it over another if the other school has the better record and/or won head-to-head?
Posted on 1/22/14 at 8:14 pm to Korin
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1981 - Alabama had a better record than Georgia in SEC play, but UG gets credit for an SEC title.
No? UGA lost to Clemson and Pitt (Sugar Bowl) OOC.
Bama lost to Georgia Tech and Texas (Cotton Bowl) and tied Southern Miss.
I believe UGA won the conference by having an identical conference record but only 1 loss compared to Bama's 1 loss and 1 tie.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 8:56 pm to Korin
Too lazy to go through and check, but are you going by overall or conference records? Only conference records matter for SEC titles.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 9:24 pm to Korin
1934 Tulane and Alabama both had 1.000 winning percentages
1951 Georgia Tech and Tennessee both and 1.000 winning percentages.
1966 Georgia and Alabama had identical 6-0 conference records.
1976 Kentucky and Georgia had identical 5-1 conference records.
1951 Georgia Tech and Tennessee both and 1.000 winning percentages.
1966 Georgia and Alabama had identical 6-0 conference records.
1976 Kentucky and Georgia had identical 5-1 conference records.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 9:35 pm to Korin
Posted on 1/22/14 at 9:59 pm to Korin
Who knows. The sport used to be on drugs. The 3-way tie rules in some conferences would be based on which school had the longest Conference Championship drought. shite was fricked. Even well into the 1990s.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 10:50 pm to Korin
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1934 - Tulane had a better record than Alabama in SEC play, but UA gets credit for an SEC title.
1966 - Alabama had a better record than Georgia in SEC play, but UG gets credit for an SEC title.
1981 - Alabama had a better record than Georgia in SEC play, but UG gets credit for an SEC title.
Alabama does get credit for the SEC championship for those years.
Alabama's 27 conference championships
Posted on 1/22/14 at 10:53 pm to Korin
quote:
1934 - Tulane had a better record than Alabama in SEC play, but UA gets credit for an SEC title.
1951 - Georgia Tech had a better record than Tennessee in SEC play, but UT gets credit for an SEC title.
1966 - Alabama had a better record than Georgia in SEC play, but UG gets credit for an SEC title.
1976 - Georgia had a better record than Kentucky in SEC play, but UK gets credit for an SEC title.
1981 - Alabama had a better record than Georgia in SEC play, but UG gets credit for an SEC title.
1988 - LSU beat Auburn head-to-head (both were tied in SEC play), but AU gets credit for an SEC title.
1957 - Auburn was on a bowl ban and still gets credit for an SEC title. See 1984 Florida.
this is irrelevant to you, Florida football started in the 90s
Posted on 1/23/14 at 9:16 am to Korin
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1988 - LSU beat Auburn head-to-head (both were tied in SEC play), but AU gets credit for an SEC title.
Auburn also received the SEC's automatic bid to the Sugar Bowl. It helps having the SEC's office located in the same state.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 3:00 pm to Korin
several things ----------
Before the uniform number of conference games began in 1978, any team unbeaten in conference play won a share of the SEC title. In fact,you left LSU and Alabama off your list from 1961. LSU was 6-0 and Alabama was 7-0.
Through the 1968 season, the SEC assigned some out of conference games as 'SEC Games' to ensure every team played at least 6 SEC games.Hence, North Carolina vs Georgia in '66. (In fact,LSU only played 4 true SEC games in 1968 as games vs TCU and Tulane counted as SEC games).
For whatever reason, Alabama and Ole Miss had a two game series in 1980 and 1981 knowing full well they wouldn't count as SEC games and were considered 'non conference' games.
In 1976 Kentucky lost to Mississippi State.However, a year or so later the NCAA had Miss State forfeit several,if not all games in 1975 and 1976, including the '76 UK game. Kentucky was retroactively awarded a share of the 1976 SEC title with 5-1 Georgia.
I think somewhere in this thread it was mentioned (correctly) that originally in 1984 Florida was named SEC champion while not being allowed to go to the Sugar or any bowl. In the Spring of 1985 AD's and Chancellors/Presidents voted to strip Florida of their 1984 title and make them ineligible for the upcoming 1985 season title.
Before the uniform number of conference games began in 1978, any team unbeaten in conference play won a share of the SEC title. In fact,you left LSU and Alabama off your list from 1961. LSU was 6-0 and Alabama was 7-0.
Through the 1968 season, the SEC assigned some out of conference games as 'SEC Games' to ensure every team played at least 6 SEC games.Hence, North Carolina vs Georgia in '66. (In fact,LSU only played 4 true SEC games in 1968 as games vs TCU and Tulane counted as SEC games).
For whatever reason, Alabama and Ole Miss had a two game series in 1980 and 1981 knowing full well they wouldn't count as SEC games and were considered 'non conference' games.
In 1976 Kentucky lost to Mississippi State.However, a year or so later the NCAA had Miss State forfeit several,if not all games in 1975 and 1976, including the '76 UK game. Kentucky was retroactively awarded a share of the 1976 SEC title with 5-1 Georgia.
I think somewhere in this thread it was mentioned (correctly) that originally in 1984 Florida was named SEC champion while not being allowed to go to the Sugar or any bowl. In the Spring of 1985 AD's and Chancellors/Presidents voted to strip Florida of their 1984 title and make them ineligible for the upcoming 1985 season title.
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